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AMMPS Generator Series Remote Data

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R1ckyb0nd said:
With 20v+ on ABC and ‐ on def, I am only getting the panel lights. Maybe my power supply is not strong enough.
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Good morning! By any chance is the E-stop pushed in? On mine I have to pull out the E-stop and set rotary switch to either run/prime aux or run/ prime main. Also, do the panel lights respond to pushing the panel lights button? That might tell you if it's paying attention to inputs.
 
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Good morning! By any chance is the E-stop pushed in? On mine I have to pull out the E-stop and set rotary switch to either run/prime aux or run/ prime main. Also, do the panel lights respond to pushing the panel lights button? That might tell you if it's paying attention to inputs.
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I tried it with it both in and out and I went through all the switch settings. I am going tonbring it back tonthe generator today to make sure I did not break it.
 
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R1ckyb0nd said:
I tried it with it both in and out and I went through all the switch settings. I am going tonbring it back tonthe generator today to make sure I did not break it.
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Hmmm. I'll pull mine off its harness and just check big A and little d to make sure I'm not forgetting anything from my original hook-up... Looking at the P2 pin out, it's unlikely that any damage was done, do you happen to remember if it was all 3 pins (Big D,E,F) or just one? So far ,I've found the DCS to be quite robust electrically, as I've been prodding it for awhile with no ill effect:) Good luck!
 
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Hmmm. I'll pull mine off its harness and just check big A and little d to make sure I'm not forgetting anything from my original hook-up... Looking at the P2 pin out, it's unlikely that any damage was done, do you happen to remember if it was all 3 pins (Big D,E,F) or just one? So far ,I've found the DCS to be quite robust electrically, as I've been prodding it for awhile with no ill effect:) Good luck!
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I never connected to D. E.F. Just d.e.f.
 
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Oh! excellent, I must've misunderstood your message due to the remote auto-capitalization in my first message. Just finished trial here, yanked it off full harness and connected only 2 things: +28VDC to J2-A and RTN to J2-f. When I pulled out e-stop and turned to P&R Main, it turned on the screen and started telling me about all its missing signals, lol. Hope yours is happy too once it's back in its unit
 
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Oh! excellent, I must've misunderstood your message due to the remote auto-capitalization in my first message. Just finished trial here, yanked it off full harness and connected only 2 things: +28VDC to J2-A and RTN to J2-f. When I pulled out e-stop and turned to P&R Main, it turned on the screen and started telling me about all its missing signals, lol. Hope yours is happy too once it's back in its unit
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Just to clarify RTN is the negative wire back to your DC power supply?
 
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Ok, got the dcs bench powered and the invalid genset fault cleared.
Now when I try to connect with the remote monitor tool it gives me a
"Remote Monitoring tool supports MPC3330 & MPC3332 devices only." Error.

I suspect there are more pins that need to be activated.
 

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Ok, got the dcs bench powered and the invalid genset fault cleared.
Now when I try to connect with the remote monitor tool it gives me a
"Remote Monitoring tool supports MPC3330 & MPC3332 devices only." Error.

I suspect there are more pins that need to be activated.
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Nice! glad to see it powered up! The CAN data comes out the back at pins J3-K (CAN HI) and J3-L(CAN LO). The RS-485 pins on that front REMOTE connector are at C (485 HI) and D (485 LO). Thanks to your help, I'm just getting the remote software to pull values from the unit and display them in the remote monitor software. I have a CAN adapter for the J3 pins and an RS-485 to USB adapter for the front REMOTE pins :) It's getting a bit complicated, lol
 
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Nice! glad to see it powered up! The CAN data comes out the back at pins J3-K (CAN HI) and J3-L(CAN LO). The RS-485 pins on that front REMOTE connector are at C (485 HI) and D (485 LO). Thanks to your help, I'm just getting the remote software to pull values from the unit and display them in the remote monitor software. I have a CAN adapter for the J3 pins and an RS-485 to USB adapter for the front REMOTE pins :) It's getting a bit complicated, lol
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I am going to start testing the can system tonight when the kiddos are in bed.

Did you get the remote software working with your dcs while not connected to a generator?
If so what other pins donyou have connected?
 
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On the Remote connector I have C and D connected as discussed. I also used pin I which is connected to the DCS' return circuit to provide a RTN to my 485-USB adapter. I have been able to get the remote software working (the RMT icon), but I had to set up my 485-USB adapter serial port in the RMT settings first
 
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On the Remote connector I have C and D connected as discussed. I also used pin I which is connected to the DCS' return circuit to provide a RTN to my 485-USB adapter. I have been able to get the remote software working (the RMT icon), but I had to set up my 485-USB adapter serial port in the RMT settings first
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Ok. I will try pin I to ground and see what happens. I know ilthe RMT connects to the DCS when hooked up. Tested it before pulling out DCS. Not sure what is causing the issue. I have the COM port setup and I can see it connects but I am assuming it does not get the right signal telling it it is the correct model.
 
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Ok. I will try pin I to ground and see what happens. I know ilthe RMT connects to the DCS when hooked up. Tested it before pulling out DCS. Not sure what is causing the issue. I have the COM port setup and I can see it connects but I am assuming it does not get the right signal telling it it is the correct model.
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ah... an intriguing possibility, a CAN-enabled unit may not converse via 485. Standby.

Can confirm that having J3-LL grounded is compatible with RMT access... Lmk if the issue persists after connecting Pin I to your serial adapter, I'll pull my DCS back off the whole harness and see if it's a particular pin that is causing trouble. Good luck!
 
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R1ckyb0nd said:
Now when I try to connect with the remote monitor tool it gives me a
"Remote Monitoring tool supports MPC3330 & MPC3332 devices only." Error.
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I got that error while poking at my DCS.
I seem to remember that possibly my RS-232 levels weren't sufficient to drive/power the B&B RS-232 to RS-485 adapter.
 
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Tonight I tested CAN, I was not able to get any data, I see that I get the CAN BUS fault after about 3-4 mins of the DCS being on, so I am assuming it is trying to establish a connection over CAN bus. I have a Jetson Nano with a CAN to SPI transceiver. I tried with and without the 120 OHM resistor jumper on. I will have to try and get CAN on a ESP 32 or Arduino setup to test the CAN on the Nano.
I could also need the J1939 Python modules, that is something I will have to look at tomorrow. I would have thought there would have been some broadcast messages as ilajnfae is seeing the data on an Oscope.

As far as the remote port, I have the military provided cable, so it is as kloppk wrote above. I only have tx/rx and 2 grounds. I connected one of the grounds to the RS485-to-usb converter I have and it made it worse. I ave to use a usb converter as I do not have any systems here with a serial port.

For the CAN to USB what adapters are people buying and same for serial to usb?
 
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I bought a couple of CAN to TTL adapters for looking at the CAN data.
I haven't used them yet though. Have been too busy with other projects.
 
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I bought a couple of CAN to TTL adapters for looking at the CAN data.
I haven't used them yet though. Have been too busy with other projects.
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I have a CAN to USB adapter from Gridconnect, PN GC-CAN-USB IPEH 002021. I'm also using a 30 day trial of their PCAN-EXPLORER 6. My 485-USB is just one I had laying around from an old security system install, no PN visible. Kloppk, I'm very interested hear what data the ECM replies with from a running system when you get a chance, the DCS sends the same 3 or 4 messages over and over, but anytime I try to inject what seems like a reasonable value (coolant temp, RPM, etc. ) The DCS declares fault 781 and fusses about a reply rate, lol. R1cky, I'm about to go pull the DCS off the full harness and see how the 485 works :)
 
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