Busted block

[tco3129]

Dodging snow and rain, I finally got my LDT torn down. I knew I had lost a cylinder liner and piston, a relatively easy fix, but was concerned when draining the oil when I got 4 gallons of antifreeze first out of the oil pan. I had checked the heads first with the blacklite and spray and found no problems. Had to pull the oil pump to get to the rod bolts on #1 piston. Once the piston was out I wiped the cylinder with a rag and WELL CRAP. Block busted right behind the front freeze plug. This is the second cylinder liner to go to the oil pan. #4 went December 2013. #1 went December 2014. Now my question. Is loosing liners and pistons common? I run Rotella oil and fresh antifreeze. No overheating problems. Next can the block from an LDS be used for an LDT?

 

[m16ty]

I don't know how common it is but I have seen a couple of engines with disintegrated liners.

 

[Jeepsinker]

LDT and LDS blocks are exactly the same. The entire engine is exactly the same except for the injector pump and pistons. If it were me I would take the parts needed for the LDS off of your busted motor, complete the LDS, and swap it in.

 

[tco3129]

I know the pistons and oil nozzles are different but did not know the difference in Injector pumps.

 

[tco3129]

Is it better to pull the engine out with or without the tranny attached? What kind of weight am I looking at? In normal circumstances I would be using 3 locust poles chained together at the top and a chain block and tackle.

 

[Jeepsinker]

The engine alone is the better part of 2,000 pounds. Something like 17-1800. Then the trans is a couple hundred pounds too. It is easier to pull the engine and transmission together. Remove the center floor pan, remove the transmission top cover, then pull the engine/ trans.

I wouldn't use the locust poles. You need heavy duty lifting gear to do this swap safely. How much do you value your life and limbs?

 

[Flyingvan911]

Ouch. You'll need something quite sturdy to pull the engine.

 

[acesneights1]

I would not pull them as one. I did it that way and it is a tight squeeze not to mention the weight.Looking back, I would have dropped the tranny first. You will not be able to pull it with your average cherry picker. You would need a heavy diesel specific one. I pulled mine with a New Holland L775 which has some pretty good nuts and I nearly flipped the machine not to mention put alot of stress on old hydrualics. I would not attempt it again. Hire a local guy with a decent sized backhoe or small excavator or use an A frame rated for atleast 4,000lbs IMHO.
It is no joke, it is heavy and very tight quarters. Pull the front bumper and front cross members. Trust me, I didn't and wished I had. You will need atleast one guy on the ground to guide the motor past the steering box. Two guys, even better. Put the motor back in without the trans and put trans up after is how I did it.
That is my advice after recently doing mine.

 

[JasonS]

I would not pull them as one. I did it that way and it is a tight squeeze not to mention the weight.Looking back, I would have dropped the tranny first. You will not be able to pull it with your average cherry picker. You would need a heavy diesel specific one. I pulled mine with a New Holland L775 which has some pretty good nuts and I nearly flipped the machine not to mention put alot of stress on old hydrualics. I would not attempt it again. Hire a local guy with a decent sized backhoe or small excavator or use an A frame rated for atleast 4,000lbs IMHO.
It is no joke, it is heavy and very tight quarters. Pull the front bumper and front cross members. Trust me, I didn't and wished I had. You will need atleast one guy on the ground to guide the motor past the steering box. Two guys, even better. Put the motor back in without the trans and put trans up after is how I did it.
That is my advice after recently doing mine.

Is it possible to pull the engine without first removing the front crossmmeber? I assumed that it had to go but am curious if it is possible.

 

[Jeepsinker]

If you know anyone with a 5 ton wrecker it would make quick work of it. Other than that you are stuck with using ( as mentioned) a tractor or building some kind of "A" frame from heavy steel pipe and plate or channel iron and buying a good chainfall.

 

[gimpyrobb]

Yes, you can pull it w/o pulling the front cross-member. Some are riveted in place and you can not remove them. It is much easier if you pull the oil pan for clearance, but not needed.

 

[RAYZER]

Is it possible to pull the engine without first removing the front crossmmeber? I assumed that it had to go but am curious if it is possible.

Only the bolt in style crossmembers are ment to be removable.

 

[gimpyrobb]

Only the bolt in style crossmembers are ment to be removable.

2nd shift showed up!

 

[JasonS]

Excluding the gasser front crossmmember which has to be cut out to install the multi, aren't both of the multi crossmembers removable?

 

[RAYZER]

Here's the removable one.

 

[Jeepsinker]

Mine has the riveted one but I'm contemplating removing it and installing a bolt in crossmember when I swap the motor.

 

[RAYZER]

The bolt in crossmembers are nice,they have an access hole so you can get a wrench on the crank bolt for rotation purposes.

 

[acesneights1]

If you can remove it, I would strongly recommend doing it. I would not put the motor in without the oil pan on. I'd rather dent an oil pan than crack a 400$ oil pump.

 

[JasonS]

Here's the removable one.View attachment 538322

I have the other kind, assumed it was a bolt-in.

 

[welldigger]

I have the other kind, assumed it was a bolt-in.

Mine is a bolt in but it doesn't look like that. More like a piece of channel iron flipped on its back.