Cannibalized while waiting for EUC!

[alcarp]

Just as an FYI to anyone who may have been following this thread, I'm following my plan, outlined above. I did contact the GL Site Mgr. at Meade, and he indicated he had not forgotten my request to be "made whole" regarding stolen parts from my lot. At this point, I must accept that answer on good faith, however I will remain unconvinced until such actually happens! Like many other winning bidders, I am impatiently awaiting now two EUCs, both lots at Meade. My sixty days will have run by Christmas, so no telling how the holidays will affect things - likely, not well! I will submit a follow-up report after my load out!

Al

 

[Whitey]

If you talked to Justin I would believe him. He's never acted anything but professional and seems to actually care about what's going on. Btw, my friend bought some generators a few months back and by the time the EUC cleared all of the asessories had vanished. He had even padlocked all of the compartments ahead of time, but were all cut off with bolt cutters by pick-up. He ended up not filing a report, but it is just another instance of what's going on recently.

 

[therealsundance]

One of my trailers was missing the tarp. Justin's coworker, forget her name, went to another lot and got one. She said if she couldn't find one she would call me when others came in.

Justin says they try to watch everyone, but the two of them just can't.

This was Thanksgiving week.

Good luck.



6 years POW?!

Thank you for your service.

 

[A/C Cages]

Makes you wonder how many (things) come up missing here and there while under GLs supervision and then the next auction are those same items up for bid once again.

 

[popacom]

After reading this thread I am compelled to throw my in the ring. I have been in the MV /military
surplus arena since I was a 16 year old pup (53 year ole dog now.....hehehehee!!!!) and I used to buy from DRMO sales all the time. From time to time there were items that had EUC's, but back then all that was required was you signing the slip(EUC) for that item recognizing that you were aware that the item was on the SLI(strategic list Item) or on the MLI (munitions list item) lists and that they could not be exported without prior State Dept approval. You signed that paper and payed for your item and you loaded it and you left!!!
Now 911 changed a lot of things...........and rightfully so......but did it suddenly make a 3/4 ton trailer a threat to National security? Will a Deuce make it any easier for a terrorist to commit actions against the country? I THINK NOT!!!!!! and we need to wake up to the fact that EUC's have nothing to do with what GL would have you believe they do. The reason I feel this way is
the Govt. sells these and other of the same items,trucks,trailers gen sets,etc,etc,etc................
on its other sites........guess what? NO EUC. no 10% buyers premium!!!!
When we bid and win on GL what takes place on an EUC item(or any other for that matter)????
The first thing that happens is that your credit card pays them! That money is now in their hands until the EUC clears ,while this would seem innocent enough.Who collects interest on that money while YOU wait for the paperwork to clear? You guessed it .....GL.....and when you look at it on a case by case basis it would seem small amount,.....right?....but on a Global basis figure what the numbers figure to in a year.....EXPONENTIAL !!!!! and then when you look at the fact your credit card co. most likely starts hitting you with the interest on the money you now have
tied up with GL it makes it worse. Now while the EUC is clearing a percentage of your purchase is packed off by the other thieves ..........well you see where I am going here?
Well I will step off my soap box for now,but take the time to give the above a thought!!!

popacom / BILL in KY.

 

[alcarp]

If you talked to Justin I would believe him. He's never acted anything but professional and seems to actually care about what's going on. Btw, my friend bought some generators a few months back and by the time the EUC cleared all of the asessories had vanished. He had even padlocked all of the compartments ahead of time, but were all cut off with bolt cutters by pick-up. He ended up not filing a report, but it is just another instance of what's going on recently.

Whitey - Good to hear, and I hope you are correct! I'm giving Justin the benefit of the doubt, as it is most likely mismanagement above his level that is the real culprit, here. As I have stated, previously, escorted visits could probably eliminate most of this theft, and to have such escorts, means hiring additional people, which is a bottom line cost to GL, or to ANY business!
As long as they can get away with this poor treatment of customers, with no cost to GL of anything but grumbling, they will continue to do so! That's where we need to make the "noise" I've been talking about! I'm guessing that significant numbers of SS are veterans, and these are times of greater sympathy to vets, nationwide, than our country has experienced in a long time. Make some "noise" to your politicians, local media, etc., particularly using the human interest aspect of your connection to these marvelous MV's you care so much about, and see if you can't tug on the heartstrings of your fellow Americans!

I see no reason why GL can't modify their procedures and policies to take better care of their customers and STILL make a reasonable profit margin. I know that I would be willing to pay a little extra, for a preview visit, to insure that I would eventually get what I paid for, and it would bring this present dirty little "secret" out into the light of day, and public scrutiny! I know that many of you will have even better ideas to "fix" the problem - let's hear them!!

Al

 

[alcarp]

One of my trailers was missing the tarp. Justin's coworker, forget her name, went to another lot and got one. She said if she couldn't find one she would call me when others came in.

Justin says they try to watch everyone, but the two of them just can't.

This was Thanksgiving week.

Good luck.



6 years POW?!

Thank you for your service.

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Good to hear reports like yours, but wouldn't it be even better if we - and they - never had to deal with such stuff? In many instances, we're dealing with "a pig in a poke", anyway, crossing our fingers that we'll get what is advertised for the auction, without actually seeing it. In such cases we don't have nearly the strength to our complaints, as we do when we, or our agents, have previewed a lot and found it to be worth, to us at least, what we're willing to bid for it. Whether it truly is worth it, or not, we won't end up having had stolen from us, equipment that was, indeed, when we bid on it, "AS IS" and, on load out is significantly less than, "AS WAS"!

Appreciate your comment on my service - it is heartwarming to know that REAL Americans still care! Not that it matters - any more - but it was six years and four months. That extra four I could have done standing on my head! (come to think of it, if it was the FIRST four, I DID - or in various OTHER uncomfortable positions, anyway!)

Al

 

[alcarp]

After reading this thread I am compelled to throw my in the ring. I have been in the MV /military
surplus arena since I was a 16 year old pup (53 year ole dog now.....hehehehee!!!!) and I used to buy from DRMO sales all the time. From time to time there were items that had EUC's, but back then all that was required was you signing the slip(EUC) for that item recognizing that you were aware that the item was on the SLI(strategic list Item) or on the MLI (munitions list item) lists and that they could not be exported without prior State Dept approval. You signed that paper and payed for your item and you loaded it and you left!!!
Now 911 changed a lot of things...........and rightfully so......but did it suddenly make a 3/4 ton trailer a threat to National security? Will a Deuce make it any easier for a terrorist to commit actions against the country? I THINK NOT!!!!!! and we need to wake up to the fact that EUC's have nothing to do with what GL would have you believe they do. The reason I feel this way is
the Govt. sells these and other of the same items,trucks,trailers gen sets,etc,etc,etc................
on its other sites........guess what? NO EUC. no 10% buyers premium!!!!
When we bid and win on GL what takes place on an EUC item(or any other for that matter)????
The first thing that happens is that your credit card pays them! That money is now in their hands until the EUC clears ,while this would seem innocent enough.Who collects interest on that money while YOU wait for the paperwork to clear? You guessed it .....GL.....and when you look at it on a case by case basis it would seem small amount,.....right?....but on a Global basis figure what the numbers figure to in a year.....EXPONENTIAL !!!!! and then when you look at the fact your credit card co. most likely starts hitting you with the interest on the money you now have
tied up with GL it makes it worse. Now while the EUC is clearing a percentage of your purchase is packed off by the other thieves ..........well you see where I am going here?
Well I will step off my soap box for now,but take the time to give the above a thought!!!

popacom / BILL in KY.

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Bill -

Thanks for your perspective and experience - how far we have come, to "fix" something that doesn't appear to have been broken!

Don't lose that soapbox - I like what you have to say from it!

Al

 

[Nonotagain]

Alcarp.

Sorry to hear that you were "robbed" of parts from your generators while waiting for your EUC to clear.

I get into Ft. Meade 4-6 times a year to pick up my winnings. Justin Miller is a class act and so was Sarah Dutton whom Justin replaced.

The problem with Ft Meade is that with DRMO, a scrap metal dealer and GL all sharing the same space behind one fence; there is a lot of traffic in and out.

You can probably thank another surplus buyer for liberating your filter housings.

Where the problem arises is that this location assists in loading. While GL is loading your truck or trailer, the companions of those picking up aren't being watched. It’s impossible to keep an eye on everyone all the time when they come into pick up their auction winnings. Some buyers look at unclaimed items as their own salvage yard, free to the taker. It's not right, but it happens.

I've had knobs and a fuel solenoid removed from a genset I purchased, though not at Ft Meade. Locations with a lot of traffic that assist with loading will have theft issues. A lot of GL locations won't load at all after being burnt for theft of parts.

As for the filter housings, dump the factory separator and filters and install a RACOR filter. http://www.maesco.com/catalog/product.php?productid=16220&cat=288&page=1

Again, sorry to hear that you got hit.

 

[alcarp]

Nonotagain -

Great info - greatly appreciated - and I agree with your assessment of the ID of the thief!

Your evaluation of Justin and the situation there seems accurate and sensible, as well, with the exception of the one time I have been there, so far, when two of us were given free reign to roam all over the site, without question or direction! We could easily have gotten back in our truck, and driven off with almost anything we could carry!

Thanks, too, for the info on the filters - I freely recognize and admit that you gents with the interest in this stuff know FAR more than I do about it, and I genuinely appreciate your willingness to share that information. I'm an old dairy farmer, enlisted airborne radar operator, jet pilot, marina and marine railway owner/operator become ultralight flight instructor so, at one time, I COULD learn new "stuff"! Now, I'm just a survivalist grandpa, trying to do my part to "keep the dream alive" for my kids and grandkids. With the help of gents like you, and other responding SS, it just might work!

Thanks!

Al

 

[ah1955]

After reading all 90 post I think Nonotagain had the problem nailed. Just like people at you pull junk yards grabe "a few little things" there are some people who when at a GL lot think "a few little things" are theres for the picking, WRONG but it only takes a few with this mentality to screw eveyone. The real answer would be only one person at a time in the lot with GL escort at all times and on one else in lot till the last escorted preveiw or pick up group is back. Gee would that take for ever and a day. As far as rasing issues with base police or secure that would depend on the location I would think that some of the different lots could be enught off base tobe no more then leased space.

 

[86m1028]

I cant believe that im defending G.L. but I can tell you alot of the THEFT at Hooks is NOT there fault. I have seen first hand parts being removed from SOLD units by other groups on a regular bases.

 

[stumps]

I cant believe that im defending G.L. but I can tell you alot of the THEFT at Hooks is NOT there fault. I have seen first hand parts being removed from SOLD units by other groups on a regular bases.

What other groups? And, surely you reported the theft, right?

-Chuck

 

[ranchhopper]

I had my 1009 picked up at camp beaureguard in louisana and when the friend of mine who was hauling the truck was on his way down I sent him the auction pics. In my email to him I requested he check the truck out before it was loaded on his trailer I had pics showing all the lifting shackles and convoy lights on the truck he did the walkaround checking out the truck and fortunatley all was still intact. I instructed him to make a notation of any missing parts and have the GL rep sign the paper stating any parts that were missing was noted. This may be the new way of doing business if the pilferage continues at least with a signed paper noting missing items you have a better way of getting a reimbersment for missing items. To GLs credit I have a few friends with lots that were pilfered and they were awarded compensation for the missing items albeit not quite as fast as they might have liked but never the less they were compensated for the loss.

 

[Whitey]

Nonotagain, you are spot on with your assessment. When my buddy got his acessories "liberated" it was suspected that a dealer that had been there the day before with 4-5 "helpers" was the culprit. We were told that the "helpers" were caught multiple times nowhere near the equiptment they were suposidly there to help load up. All I know is they had bolt cutters to cut multiple locks off of 4-5 gensets.

 

[alcarp]

Nonotagain, you are spot on with your assessment. When my buddy got his acessories "liberated" it was suspected that a dealer that had been there the day before with 4-5 "helpers" was the culprit. We were told that the "helpers" were caught multiple times nowhere near the equiptment they were suposidly there to help load up. All I know is they had bolt cutters to cut multiple locks off of 4-5 gensets.

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Whitey -

There is little doubt in my mind, that at least MOST of the theft is happening that way. My beef with GL is still that it is THEY who are responsible for all lots, until they are removed from the auction site. THEY write up the lot description, take the pics, and are responsible for the required paperwork at loadout. It stands to reason that they must be held responsible for providing to auction winners the equipment that was described and photographed for auction, particularly when a lot has been previewed and found to be as described. Many times we see within the description "tires flat"; "batteries missing"; "heavy rust"; "towed in"; etc. If such is in the description, then the winner should have no beef - if not, GL is essentially guilty of false advertising and should be held responsible! The unfortunate part of that, however, is the hassle and cost to the winner, of buying one thing, getting something less, and then having to make it right himself, perhaps on his own dime!

Al

 

[alcarp]

I had my 1009 picked up at camp beaureguard in louisana and when the friend of mine who was hauling the truck was on his way down I sent him the auction pics. In my email to him I requested he check the truck out before it was loaded on his trailer I had pics showing all the lifting shackles and convoy lights on the truck he did the walkaround checking out the truck and fortunatley all was still intact. I instructed him to make a notation of any missing parts and have the GL rep sign the paper stating any parts that were missing was noted. This may be the new way of doing business if the pilferage continues at least with a signed paper noting missing items you have a better way of getting a reimbersment for missing items. To GLs credit I have a few friends with lots that were pilfered and they were awarded compensation for the missing items albeit not quite as fast as they might have liked but never the less they were compensated for the loss.

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Well, that's "A" solution - probably not the BEST solution, but it may have to do until we can agitate to a better one! Once I get my EUC's, I think I will still work to get a required escort policy in place for all visits. Even minor pilferage, such as has, so far, occurred with my gensets, will add another couple of hundred bucks, or more, to the final cost, plus the hassle of finding what I need. In that regard, I've had several offers of help from other SS's, and I am very grateful for the offers!

Al

 

[fuzzytoaster]

I cant believe that im defending G.L. but I can tell you alot of the THEFT at Hooks is NOT there fault. I have seen first hand parts being removed from SOLD units by other groups on a regular bases.

I too have seen many unattended groups wondering the hooks lot. When I went to preview I had one GL guy with me and one woman watch me from afar.

What other groups? And, surly you reported the theft, right?

-Chuck

There were a number of groups when I was out there this past March. Noted the LA Parks Preserve with a flatbed, unknown soldiers in ACU's (not guards) strolling through, and a number of people going to town on a pile of beat MV's. Hard to tell whos doing what their suppose to be doing at times.

 

[86m1028]

I too have seen many unattended groups wondering the hooks lot. When I went to preview I had one GL guy with me and one woman watch me from afar.



There were a number of groups when I was out there this past March. Noted the LA Parks Preserve with a flatbed, unknown soldiers in ACU's (not guards) strolling through, and a number of people going to town on a pile of beat MV's. Hard to tell whos doing what their suppose to be doing at times.

EXACTLY

Have you had the pleasure of meeting Wayne ??? (he thinks he OWNS the base).

He is a "tool" I cant believe somebody hasnt knocked his ass out yet.

 

[PaulbusMax]

Well, so far i have only recovered one item, a MEP-003A, and sure enough somebody snatched the batteries which appeared to be new. So i'm at 100% for being ripped. Hopefully that percentage will decrease.