Doghead Starter Relay Mod Question

[TropicalThunder]

What is the purpose of this Mod?

 

[cucvrus]

To cut wires and make it different. No really I don't know I never done it. Claims to be the cure of all evils. I don't see it.

 

[Warthog]

What is the purpose of this Mod?

Look at the pictures at the end of this thread

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/showthread.php?60960-doghead-starter-relay-modifcation

and this one

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/showthread.php?70846-Poll-Who-has-done-the-Doghead-Relay-Conversion

While some people over a long span of time have never had an issue with the starter relay (originally was an air conditioner relay) many people have had the relay fail (like in the pictures). I personally have seen three relays fail.

Will yours fail? Maybe not. Is it possible? Yes. If it does fail, the starter will engage all by itself and continue to run until the starter burns up or the wiring lets the Smoke Genie.

You and only you can make the decision to upgrade the relay or not. As usual YMMV.

 

[TropicalThunder]

Look at the pictures at the end of this thread

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/showthread.php?60960-doghead-starter-relay-modifcation

and this one

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/showthread.php?70846-Poll-Who-has-done-the-Doghead-Relay-Conversion

While some people over a long span of time have never had an issue with the starter relay (originally was an air conditioner relay) many people have had the relay fail (like in the pictures). I personally have seen three relays fail.

Will yours fail? Maybe not. Is it possible? Yes. If it does fail, the starter will engage all by itself and continue to run until the starter burns up or the wiring lets the Smoke Genie.

You and only you can make the decision to upgrade the relay or not. As usual YMMV.

Thanks,
I'll look at that but I think previous owner might have done something. theres a huge starter type relay hanging on the bottom center of the dash. that could be his attempt at fixing it.
Cheers

 

[rsh4364]

Thanks,
I'll look at that but I think previous owner might have done something. theres a huge starter type relay hanging on the bottom center of the dash. that could be his attempt at fixing it.
Cheers

If you search cucv starter runaway you will want to make sure its been done.Lots of horror stories,mine included,It doesn't happen to all of the cucvs but if it does you will wish it hadn't.

 

[Muleskinner1948]

How difficult is it to buy a 24 volt relay?

 

[doghead]

Easy as buying a head of lettuce.


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[dependable]

How difficult is it to buy a 24 volt relay?

You want a 12V relay anyway.

As for lettuce, Salad, beverages & outdoor cooking is the way to go in this weather.

 

[MarcusOReallyus]

How difficult is it to buy a 24 volt relay?

They are very hard to find.

 

[antennaclimber]

In regards to the starter relay mod, I wanted to know if anyone has ever made a harness pigtail for the relay so that the existing harness connector could be maintained. Yeah, I know, just cut the connector off and crimp on some terminal lugs. I just have this aversion to cutting off the connector if there is a suitable way to use it.

The connector on the harness is probably female, so is there a corresponding male connector that I can buy? Has anyone taken apart the original starter relay, and if so, does it look like it would be possible to make it into a connector for the new relay?

I felt the same way about cutting off a good connector only to put a new one on.

This is how I did my relay modification. The spade lugs plug right into the factory connector. I used same colored wires so I just match the colors when installing it. I did not have a piece of white wire for the first one that I wired in, so I used white tape to denote it.

I keep a spare relay with pigtails in the glove box just in case.
Karl

 

[cucvrus]

Very nice. I like it. It takes the hack out of the whole operation. Clean , durable, accessible and cost effective. I like it a lot. Can easily be returned to OEM and has a nice sealed unit with no exposed terminals. Very nice. Market them. They will be a big hit. Beats the pants off the other up-fit/down-fit design.

 

[doghead]

What amp rating is that relay?


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[cucvrus]

It's rated higher amperage than a head of lettuce. Even when cut fresh and shipped on ice.

 

[bl71236]

Looks like the 30 amp units I used to make my head light high / low beam wiring harness.

 

[doghead]

Yes it does, and the oem was 40 iirc.

There were several reasons I chose the one I did for the DH relay mod.

Everyone is free to choose what they want.

I don't care to debate it.

 

[cucvrus]

Is this what IIRC means? It's got to be right I seen it on the internet.

 

[antennaclimber]

What amp rating is that relay?


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30 amp cont, 50 amp intermittent at 14 VDC

If I remember correctly, I measured the current draw on my truck, it was about 9 amps when the starter was engaged.

 

[MarcusOReallyus]

I don't care to debate it.

Well, that's good. You can join the rest of the folks on the thread who aren't debating it.


Oddly enough, when I saw it was antennaclimber, I didn't worry about him choosing an inadequate relay.

 

[cucvrus]

30 amp cont, 50 amp intermittent at 14 VDC

If I remember correctly, I measured the current draw on my truck, it was about 9 amps when the starter was engaged.

Are you going to market these new hack-less relays? I am interested in one for Terminus M1009.

 

[2deuce]

I had my 1st relay go out recently and would have bought the one posted above in a heartbeat. Mine would no longer make a connection. Didn't lose any smoke thankfully.
I want a relay that when it does fail (all things do) it acts like a burnt fuse and doesn't weld the contacts and continue to run the starter like the original style could. If it acts this way, the amp rating only needs to be sufficient for the load. I have had that style of relay fail before without any adverse consequences ... it only needed replacement. Snap a new one in.