drivers liscence, getting plates for a deuce?

[mikes47jeep]

Hi all

I did a search and came up empty handed

Has anyone put a deuce on the road in PA with regular tags?

Were they regular tags or did they have to be commercial?

Would I need a class A or B to drive with a full load?

I'm looking to be able to haul a M3 scout car, (6 ton) using an eager beaver trailer, or something that could handle 6 ton

Any advice would be greatly appreciated


regards

Mike

 

[gunboy1656]

I had regular plates on mine for a while, cost me 330+ bucks a year. I think you are also pushing the tow limit on a deuce with that combination.

 

[jcappeljr]

You will need a cdl if the truck and trailer gvw total over 26k.

 

[TexAndy]

I don't live in Pennsylvania... however, I believe many, if not most, of the States have the same rules regarding Gross Vehicle Weight Rating and combined gvwr limits.

At least in Texas, the deuce by itself does not meet the minimum GVWR of 26k for a CDL. The truck has an on-road rating of 10k pounds. Weighs 13k pounds. GVWR = 23k. 3k more in weight or capacity and it would be right at the CDL required GVWR limit.

Pulling almost any kind of trailer would for sure put you over the limit here. I'd be willing to bet PA is similar.

 

[mikes47jeep]

what is the GVWR of a deuce too?

 

[drgreg]

26,000 max GVW - 13,000 lb Deuce = 13,000 lbs for trailer and/or load.

 

[mikes47jeep]

well the CDL really isnt the issue, ( 2 memebers of the re-enactor unit already have Class B, and im looking to get my class A)

the issue is can it haul it?

and how much would it cost to put on the road?

 

[Kohburn]

from another thread

From TM 43-0001-31

Nomenclature: TRUCK, CARGO: 2 1/2 Ton, 6x6
Weight: 13,700 lb
Payload: 10,350 lb, Off Road: 7,000 lb

The GVWR would be 13700 lb + 10350 lb = 24050 lb

 

[gunboy1656]

Look on the DMV's website there is a chart for whatever GVW you want on the truck. I had them title my truck at 17K. I dont remember the weights off the top of my head.

 

[TexAndy]

26,000 max GVW - 13,000 lb Deuce = 13,000 lbs for trailer and/or load.

GVWR is defined as weight plus capacity. Not weight plus load.

A deuce has a GVWR of something like 23k pounds. Empty or full, doesn't matter.

 

[drgreg]

GVWR is defined as weight plus capacity. Not weight plus load.

A deuce has a GVWR of something like 23k pounds. Empty or full, doesn't matter.

You are correct, I should not have used the deuce for the example. I was just trying to show the limits for CDL.
I found this definition, right or wrong, that uses tongue weight for GVWR not loaded trailer weight.

A gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) is the maximum allowable total mass of a road vehicle or trailer when loaded - i.e including the weight of the vehicle itself plus fuel, passengers, cargo, and trailer tongue weight.

 

[G-Force]

You are correct, I should not have used the deuce for the example. I was just trying to show the limits for CDL.
I found this definition, right or wrong, that uses tongue weight for GVWR not loaded trailer weight.

A gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) is the maximum allowable total mass of a road vehicle or trailer when loaded - i.e including the weight of the vehicle itself plus fuel, passengers, cargo, and trailer tongue weight.

C'mon Drgreg........what does the weight of your "Tongue" have to do with the hauling capacity of a deuce?????

 

[gunboy1656]

According to the fees chart for PA:

class 8 truck (21,001 - 26,000) is 405 dollars a year

trailers over 10,000 pounds is 27 a year or 135 permanent..


So yearly your looking at 432 bucks.

 

[MyothersanM1]

In CA any vehicle over 6000lb gross that has a third axle requires the B CDL. Check all the fine print in PA just to err on this side of caution.

 

[mowerman]

Dont' miss the big picture here in pa, if your trailer is rated at 10000 gvw or lower you don't need a cdl, at 10001 you do.

 

[mowerman]

Also, if you are planning on any trailer over 10001, you will need a class a cdl.

 

[Akicita]

Don't confuse the need for a CDL with the need for a license to drive vehicles with a GVWR in excess of 26,000 lbs, or combinations. One doesn't have anything to do with the other. This issue has been discussed over and over again in some of the RV groups I belong to. Even some DVM or DOT employees get confused.

A CDL is a commercial driver's license. You need that to legally drive a commercial vehicle.

A Pennsylvania class "C" license is limited to the 26,000 lbs GVWR several other posters have already mentioned in this thread.

I have a motorhome that weighs more than 26,000 lbs, is registered and insured as a recreational vehicle (RV), and I drive it for recreational purposes. The RV is not used in any commercial application.

I have a Penna. class "B" license that covers me for the extra weight over 26,000 lbs. This is not a CDL class "B". Some states do not offer the non-CDL class B but Penna. does.

Now back to the original question. The Deuce weighs less than 26,000. To drove it here, all you need is a Penna. class C license. I would be concerned if I wanted to pull such a heavy trailer - not because of the Deuce's pulling power but because of its unimpressive stopping power. If the trailer's GVWR is over 10,000 lbs, you need to get a Penna. class A license.