HMMWV's for sale, no longer maybe, it happened

[DUG]

Long-time lurker here. Good evening, all.
FYI, there is no suggestion of a LAW being circumvented anywhere, in fact the issue is strict adherence to federal and state law. Being a conglomeration of 50 different states with 50 different sets of rules regarding licensing and titling, the LAWS regarding licensing and registration are complex and inconsistent. The Hold Harmless agreement is a liability avoidance mechanism and the section about "off road use" is both present tense and non-binding because we are that conglomeration of states. After all, there are registered and licensed hummers out there, and these are no different.
I ain't a lawyer. But I'm reasonably well read.

There is no suggestion of breaking the law in this thread because the MODs have already DELETED those posts.

 

[rickf]

Like I said before, It is going to be an interesting few months coming up. If Blackmagic is right then he has bought the only running ones out there and his buddies havea lock on all of the rest that will be auctioned. We all know that is impossible unless there is some insider trader going on because it is an AUCTION, as in bidding, highest bidder. He cannot have a prior agreement. If he does a LOT of people are going to be asking questions. And IF the rest are going to an Aussie firm to be shredded then how can they advertise the 4,000? Again, a lot of questions will need to be answered. I foresee this thread being locked pretty soon since people just can't seem to stay on point. I don't think the boss can be any more clear about it but nobody is listening.

 

[gimpyrobb]

What did you say, I wasn't listening...

 

[Blackmagic94]

And for the record some states will issue an off road only title as well, I dont know why everyone is so up in arms about the thought of that process as that doesnt violate the EUC or agreements made, but what do I know lol

 

[123mack]

By your avatar, I don't think anyone is listening (or reading). I'm here for the pictures.

 

[KansasBobcat]

i was told lastnight by my armored door source that he has an exclusive to buy the remaining M998s that were not in this round, these trucks that were auctioned first were the cleanest of the bunch and all running, the next batch will be non operational for one reason or another and he is buying a lot sum before auction as well. There is not 4000 trucks going to civi hands, 99% of them are getting the chop by an Aussie contracted company as they are uparmored and not for civi hands.


Also to the people bitching about the pricing, you cannot compare your price of your titled 1985 truck to a 1994, there is a value difference, those 85 trucks havent seen Mil PM work siince 1993, while these new bunch trucks were in PM status up to this year.

The comment about Mil PM got me thinking about my company motor pool in RVN. If Blackmagic94 hasn't been in a motor he really should. It is not like a NASCAR pit in my experience. I wish him well and I hope he keeps us posted on the good and the bad.

 

[doghead]

Seems others are comparing them also.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/12/18/army-surplus-humvee-auction-744k/

http://www.military.com/daily-news/...-auction-of-iconic-tr.html?ESRC=todayinmil.sm

 

[3dAngus]

The Aussies Government can get all the HMMWVs they want through the US Government Foreign Military Sales Program, and at a far better price than any contractor.
Logistics and shipping might actually be the biggest cost.
Also, I don't subscribe to the theory a singular contractor is taking all 4000 of the intended auction assets off the market, IF, that is what is suggested. I'm not sure I'm reading that correctly, but it appears that is the implication.
IN my opinion, we will see more auction assets come up for civilian auction in the near future unless domestic political unrest forces the shutting of the program down.

There are plenty of HMMWV assets to go around for everybody. 4000 is just a drop in the bucket.

 

[patracy]

I don't recall what posting it was in, but I recall it stating that 4,000 were what so far has been earmarked for sale. AM General has produced over 280K HMMWV variants. Of course the armored stuff won't be sold. And I know a lot of stuff got up armored. But it stands to reason there's far more than 4K unarmored variants to surplus.

 

[Gunzy]

If ISIS can have up armored HMMWVs why can't I?

 

[Blackmagic94]

According to my source the 4000 is 99% uparmored and being scrapped by the aussie company in Utah.

 

[juanprado]

I would agree that 4000 is just a drop.. maybe some armored will be scrapped but the scrap sale has to go through GL just like many others. They are the scrap contract disposal firm I believe. A company would not be given the contract unless it has been bid out. Many armored vehicles have been scrapped at gl through scrap sales. I have seen lots with hets, hemtts, pls, mk48, m939's, humvees etc.

There where over 500 humvees at red river that were scrapped recently some armored some not. That sale was bid out publicly.

Just in a few bases I have picked up gl purchases have plenty of unarmored at drmo lots waiting their fate.

 

[Blackmagic94]

I understand that Mil PM is not perfect but its better then nothing, there is no proof that a 93 surplus USMC M998 has had any PM other then the owners word and frankly that does not mean much with myself. On my M35A1 it was nice to see a paper trail of PM work going 2 decades back showing parts being replaced. Yes its not perfect but its a paper trail, and paper trails can equal value to buyers. Plus these trucks are 10 years newer then the 93 auction trucks so there is value there as well.

 

[FMJ]

There are at least 100-150 unarmored units sitting in a yard at WSMR These have not moved, as near as I can tell, in a couple of years, when Second Engineers move out of WSMR, the trucks may stay here. . . . oh please oh please. . .

 

[Castle Bravo]

Why did some of the trucks which claimed to be newer still have the older 6.2?

The A1 HMMWVs came about in 1994 and have the 6.2, the A2s with the 6.5 came about in 1995.

 

[emmado22]

I highly doubt you will get all the ULLS-G history paperwork with any of these vehicles. Sometimes you may find the 5988-E from the T/I inspection, but even that is doubtful. With my ex USAF M35A2C, I got every piece of paperwork that was associated with it, from the build ticket with hand written serial # at AMG factory to the email saying to turn it in, and every part that was changed on it and inspection record over it's 18 years at the airbase it was at. Paperwork is important, but in this hobby, rather rare. I prefer to let the vehicle speak for itself. A good mechanic who knows the FOV can tell you a lot about the vehicle and how well it was or was not maintained just by looking at it for 20 minutes.

Sometimes military PM is absolutely nothing. Ever see a ECS with 5 mechanics with 500+ vehicles to maintain or a unit with a rear detachment of 10 undeployable soldiers to maintain a battalions worth of vehicles, and only one of them is a mechanic by MOS? Things get pencil whipped all the time. But on the other hand, some units do impeccable jobs on maintenance. In my experience, it is all about keeping things off the 026 report so it doesn't have to get briefed, and unless it is deadlined it's not important enough to worry about, which makes it fall somewhere in the middle of the road of how well it was maintained.

 

[emmado22]

and 6.5 NA engines were orderable as repair parts in 1997ish time frame. A lot of 6.2's with no real problem were changed out for 6.5's due to BS'ed paperwork. "motor severely underpowered/excessive exhaust/type problems" all that were able to be "fixed" as per ULLS-G with "replace engine"... Seemed to happen a lot in commanders and senior NCO's HMMWV's... And mine..

 

[porkysplace]

According to my source the 4000 is 99% uparmored and being scrapped by the aussie company in Utah.

Unnamed sources don't carry much if any credibility.

 

[Blackmagic94]

Lets just say he has the only stockpile of armored doors for sale in the nation and has had that stockpile for a very long time, and is known here.

 

[TedG]

Just won 3, two 2 door and 1 4 door m998a1, where can i source armored doors at?

It seems you already know where to buy doors.

Congrates on the new toys!