It followed me home. Honest...

[DUUANE]

Complete except for the funky dump bed. Surprisingly clean. My 3/4 drive stuff is still on the other side of the water so ill have to wait to see if i can bar the engine over. Had a tug on the fan and it didnt want to go, but ill pull some plugs have a look with the boroscope and squirt some love down the holes.
Let the excitemet begin

 

[NDT]

Looking good, looks like a M211-CDN?

 

[SCM35A2]

Nice project!

 

[msgjd]

welllllll .... i see it has gotten the optional variable-balance / balance-driven power steering attachment !

 

[canadacountry]

regarding that funky dump bed, the towbar and re roller roll in front of the bottom tells me that it maybe seem like it was previously a small rollon-rolloff bin that in some way got welded into a permanent mount atop the deuce's chassis rails instead at the moment?

I could be wrong but yeah I mean there isn't any other reasons for that particular roll as far as I can think of

 

[msgjd]

When you first load that truck bed you're gonna experience a different version of the trucking term "Line Haul" .. A straight line

The first time I ever drove a loaded M51 (dump) I came barreling off the leg into an easy, large, Tee-intersection at a whopping 20mph , cranked the wheel, proceeding straight off of the road towards "Dunnage Swamp " .. Almost got my feet wet

And that was with a truck engineered to have about 60% of the load weight forward of the tandem centerline .. I can only imagine the fun and wheelies you can have with yours .. It looks really cool though , I like the unusual-looking stuff .. Interested to know what kind of box that is, and the front upper pulley, was it cable lift on its OEM application? That may explain the lower roll you mentioned if a behind-the-cab winch is what originally dumped it .. I have seen things like that, among other types of pre-1950 oddball bed hoists ..

If you are keeping the bed on the truck, you have plans to cut the frame tail and move box forward ? Be careful not to move it too far forward or you will lose your "power" steering and stress the frame rails ..

I have a commercial F2574 heavy LWB tandem tractor the PO installed a telescopic-hoist 16yd box onto , too far forward ... In short time he had to replace the front springs with additional leaves, gusset both frame rails right behind the cab where the weight of load at the hoist bent them (looks like a sway-backed old horse) , and now on my watch it developed an internally-busted steering box .. yippee

 

[rustystud]

I know what that dump bed is for. When you're hauling a "pony" trailer for a dump truck you need the dump bed to be able to fit into the trucks dump bed.
So, what happens is the dump truck comes out and unhooks it's pony trailer, then it dumps it main load. Then the dump truck comes around and hauls the pony trailers dump bed into it's bed. Then it takes it and dumps it where it needs to go. So the pony trailer dump bed needs to fit into the trucks dump bed. That's why it's smaller than a normal dump bed.

 

[msgjd]

I know what that dump bed is for. When you're hauling a "pony" trailer for a dump truck you need the dump bed to be able to fit into the trucks dump bed.
So, what happens is the dump truck comes out and unhooks it's pony trailer, then it dumps it main load. Then the dump truck comes around and hauls the pony trailers dump bed into it's bed. Then it takes it and dumps it where it needs to go. So the pony trailer dump bed needs to fit into the trucks dump bed. That's why it's smaller than a normal dump bed.

What we called "pup trailers" in the construction world were factory-built with full-size 14ft dump bodies upon a long-frame tandem chassis for easier backing .. They were pintle-hitch affairs with a self-contained hoist running off the towing truck's quick-couplers at the pintle area.. They were a pain to work with by yourself (unhooking/hooking numerous times a day) but they did save a lot of time if the towing truck had the HP to maintain road speed

I also hauled a milk "pup" made from the tank off a former T/A truck.. Like the dump pups, that tank was just as large as the tank on the towing truck and on slippery roads those things would try to push you around worse than a semitrailer ..

Never seen a pony trailer like you described where the non-dumping towed bed has to be cabled into the towing truck's bed in order to get dumped.. That would certainly be a curious oddity to watch in action

 

[canadacountry]

with regarding to transferring trailer load to the truck itself .. its a different non-military topic as ever usual but I'll note that usa-wise there were actually quite a few cattle-purposebuilt trucks back then that were set up as a 3-axle straight body hauling a 1pony+2rear axles trailer .. and the driver would leave the trailer behind somewhere as to go unload the 'main' cattle down a small road/driveway then come back to the trailer and "shift" all the 'trailer' cattle forward into the truck itself before either going backward down the same route again or simply as to leave the temporary parking spot with no weight in the trailer but a lot of weight over the tandem axles otherwise as one normally should expect (because of course an empty truck trying to haul a fully weighted hitch-pony trailer is very surely a recipe for roadhandling-related disaster somewhere soon enough!)

one now-slight-older copy of a magazine for historic usa trucks had a cattle-hauling article that also included one good photo of this sort of example .. i'll see if I can remember to find it this afternoon after my lunch-is-right-now-sorry delay just to see

 

[msgjd]

....... and the driver would (edited-jd) come back to the trailer and "shift" all the 'trailer' cattle forward into the truck itself before either going backward down the same route again or simply as to leave the temporary parking spot with no weight in the trailer but a lot of weight over the tandem axles otherwise as one normally should expect (because of course an empty truck trying to haul a fully weighted hitch-pony trailer is very surely a recipe for roadhandling-related disaster somewhere soon enough!)

this reminds me of a joke that veteran milk haulers would say .. "When you get to your first farm, make sure to pump into the front compartment first so you have weight on the tractor tandems." .... . there are surprisingly many on here who will get it

 

[canadacountry]

this is the only similar photo I could find from the web now but the magazine mentioned that these sort of sets were common around california through the 1950's-1960's https://i.pinimg.com/236x/8b/de/f4/8bdef4423ec7d2b694c1693836df7eb5--cattle-trucks.jpg

 

[m1010plowboy]

So sweet. and fairly complete. Another one for the CDN G749 database if I ever finish the CDN G749 database. I've seen many more M211's than the CDN version M207 cab and chassis so let's hope you have the more rare 7....than the 11. Can you confirm from either the data plate or that stamp which one ya got, please.

So far, out of 7 'sat for decades' engine starts, 6 have worked well. The only one we were forced to turn over using hydraulics still runs but we lost some compression. Using the torus bolts under the torus cover and a small hydraulic jack it took very little effort to get a stuck one to roll. Looking inside the engines is usually disappointing with the aluminum pistons flaking the roof off.....sleeve walls sratched. The 207 I bought popped a rocker off the push rod and the owner only had time to roll the engine over, discovering the horrible noise. I think he was disappointed for just a moment when Superdave pulled the valve cover, set the rocker back on and we quietly loaded this monster on to a buddies trailer.....the CDN M207.

The other thing I'm finding are plugged/ steel lines. The cooling lines to the trans, one to the compressor, even the governor lines may have resistance. The rad drain holes and drain plug at the block had a brown, thick, bean paste plugging them so on top of everything else, you got some blowin' to do.

 

[msgjd]

this is the only similar photo I could find from the web now but the magazine mentioned that these sort of sets were common around california through the 1950's-1960's https://i.pinimg.com/236x/8b/de/f4/8bdef4423ec7d2b694c1693836df7eb5--cattle-trucks.jpg

yep, seen those as well as fuel tank trailers and van trailers and stakebeds , all with a front steer axle like that in your above link.. We called those "train trailers"..

Modern pups don't have a steer axle , they happily sit on the tandem or tri-axle set underneath the body as such .. There are some larger-bodied ones having quad axles, and some tri-axles and tandems with an air-operated tag axle ..

What would be fantastic is to see an old M123 10T yanking one of these at an off-road jobsite, but of course they would have to have a low-set pintle plate installed as well as the hydraulics

photo courtesy of southlandtrailers.com

 

[DUUANE]

welllllll .... i see it has gotten the optional variable-balance / balance-driven power steering attachment !

Hahah tilting 3 axle diesel repower

 

[DUUANE]

So sweet. and fairly complete. Another one for the CDN G749 database if I ever finish the CDN G749 database. I've seen many more M211's than the CDN version M207 cab and chassis so let's hope you have the more rare 7....than the 11. Can you confirm from either the data plate or that stamp which one ya got, please.

So far, out of 7 'sat for decades' engine starts, 6 have worked well. The only one we were forced to turn over using hydraulics still runs but we lost some compression. Using the torus bolts under the torus cover and a small hydraulic jack it took very little effort to get a stuck one to roll. Looking inside the engines is usually disappointing with the aluminum pistons flaking the roof off.....sleeve walls sratched. The 207 I bought popped a rocker off the push rod and the owner only had time to roll the engine over, discovering the horrible noise. I think he was disappointed for just a moment when Superdave pulled the valve cover, set the rocker back on and we quietly loaded this monster on to a buddies trailer.....the CDN M207.

The other thing I'm finding are plugged/ steel lines. The cooling lines to the trans, one to the compressor, even the governor lines may have resistance. The rad drain holes and drain plug at the block had a brown, thick, bean paste plugging them so on top of everything else, you got some blowin' to do.

Story of my life.. all my 3/4 drive stuff is in surrey while i try and complete the repairs on the C60 "double double". The rest of my gear is packed away in the sea cans waiting for me to finnish putting up the shop.
In the morning im gonna go to town, hit the dump, stop and grab a 1 3/8 socket and a can of aviation stripper. See if i cant yank on the motor a bit and start looking for the numbers on the frame. Data plates are MIA. Ill get some more pics of the bed, the tub its self is ok but the subframe and mount is suspicious. It was supposed to be someones idea of a cable dump but poorly thought out.
Itll be free to the first one through the gate to grab it.
See you tomorrow🫡

 

[DUUANE]

Got some pics and supplies today. Blew through the honeydo list so tomorrow is clear for automotive archaeology.
One of the first things i noticed is that the new 211ish has an in cab under dash personell heater. My 135 has it on the top of the drivers inner fender. Any clues when that changed? Either year or model?
Next are some pics of the dump bed chassis. Someone tried for sure, but shouldve left the job to someone with better skills.

More to come.

 

[DUUANE]

Well i started in the wind, sideways rain and power outage yesterday..and reaped the fruits of patience/lazyness today. Success! Frame number revealed.

 

[m1010plowboy]

That's an early one. With the April 30 1954 M207 being 3002 and the start of production in 1952 it's around 107.21 trucks per month. That puts your truck at 13.63 months so close to a January 1953 Delivery Date and not a 1952. Looking at the hood I don't see the slot in the back/side to fit the hood retainer bar that hangs down on the driver window post. The early trucks had slide bars on each side for the hood and sometime soon after 52', they were tossed. In 53' we're finding a support bar in the middle of the hood and the hood holes in the back/side. It'll be interesting to see the hood up next, one day, when it doesn't rain.

I see two heaters and that is a crazy rare sight so it's all cool so far. Found a few rear view mirrors in the 52's........and take a peak in the top corner of the cab behind the drivers head. The M207 shop van had a bell mounted in the corner for dinner comms to the crew.

 

[DUUANE]

That's an early one. With the April 30 1954 M207 being 3002 and the start of production in 1952 it's around 107.21 trucks per month. That puts your truck at 13.63 months so close to a January 1953 Delivery Date and not a 1952. Looking at the hood I don't see the slot in the back/side to fit the hood retainer bar that hangs down on the driver window post. The early trucks had slide bars on each side for the hood and sometime soon after 52', they were tossed. In 53' we're finding a support bar in the middle of the hood and the hood holes in the back/side. It'll be interesting to see the hood up next, one day, when it doesn't rain.

I see two heaters and that is a crazy rare sight so it's all cool so far. Found a few rear view mirrors in the 52's........and take a peak in the top corner of the cab behind the drivers head. The M207 shop van had a bell mounted in the corner for dinner comms to the crew.


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Ok thanks so much thats great info! The fender mounted heater is on the front clip off my M135, the under dash unit is in the new 211. My plan is to man up and go and mess with it a bit today finally, rain or shine. More pics coming🫡

 

[DUUANE]

Well, ill drip dry and try and sort out these pics.
The prize goes to Mr.Powboy...there is indeed a bell above the driver seat. Well done 007..does that lock it in as an M207?