Just spit balling…brakes

[DaneGer21]

I wonder if something like this could be retrofitted/mounted in our cab. Maybe a dual circuit upgrade for a reasonable price?

Interesting for sure.

Thoughts?

 

[rustystud]

Sure it could be done. You would need to beef up the firewall for support, but yeah it should work fine. I just need the extra room in the engine compartment. Having the master cylinder sticking out in there would hit stuff I already have there, like my heater box for one.

 

[DaneGer21]

Sure it could be done. You would need to beef up the firewall for support, but yeah it should work fine. I just need the extra room in the engine compartment. Having the master cylinder sticking out in there would hit stuff I already have there, like my heater box for one.

True. Maybe this one would be easier if there’s room under the dash. I’ll take a look at the spec sheet…

 

[WillWagner]

With the above, it would be kinda difficult to fill the reservoirs.

 

[swbradley1]

Because of my chosen profession my first thought was what a great idea and then my other side of me took over.

You have an accident and even if the brakes worked perfectly the lawsuit would point out that you deliberately modified the manufacturer's original design.

Now it's done everyday on our trucks and a lot of other items we use but I try to minimize the litigation target on my back, not make it bigger.

But this is all my opinion.

 

[DaneGer21]

With the above, it would be kinda difficult to fill the reservoirs.

Definitely, just spit balling

 

[DaneGer21]

Because of my chosen profession my first thought was what a great idea and then my other side of me took over.

You have an accident and even if the brakes worked perfectly the lawsuit would point out that you deliberately modified the manufacturer's original design.

Now it's done everyday on our trucks and a lot of other items we use but I try to minimize the litigation target on my back, not make it bigger.

But this is all my opinion.

I see this point also.

 

[rustystud]

Because of my chosen profession my first thought was what a great idea and then my other side of me took over.

You have an accident and even if the brakes worked perfectly the lawsuit would point out that you deliberately modified the manufacturer's original design.

Now it's done everyday on our trucks and a lot of other items we use but I try to minimize the litigation target on my back, not make it bigger.

But this is all my opinion.

Yeah. We do live in a litigious society ! My son is thinking of taking Law in college now. Guess I'll need to stop telling that old joke about "10,000 lawyers on the bottom of the ocean" !

 

[Aussie Bloke]

G'day everyone,...


But if it was certified by engineers as can be done here would'nt that protect you as it dose us down here?




Aussie.

 

[INFChief]

Just curious how you would plumb it to the hydrovac - brake booster?

 

[DaneGer21]

Just curious how you would plumb it to the hydrovac - brake booster?

Add a second air pack. Plumb each MC to a separate air pack

 

[swbradley1]

G'day everyone,...


But if it was certified by engineers as can be done here would'nt that protect you as it dose us down here?




Aussie.

I am pretty sure it would add the certifying engineer into the litigation food chain.

 

[banditt1979]

I understand everyones point of view. But has anyone looked at a custom hot rod type of vehicle? Seems kind of the same thing if you ask me. When I do brakes on a custom vehicle I don't ask for permission from DOT I just buy parts that are DOT approved. Match up parts that in the engineering world calculate out correctly what's the deal?

 

[banditt1979]

True. Maybe this one would be easier if there’s room under the dash. I’ll take a look at the spec sheet…

Good ideas BTW

 

[rustystud]

I am pretty sure it would add the certifying engineer into the litigation food chain.

I understand everyones point of view. But has anyone looked at a custom hot rod type of vehicle? Seems kind of the same thing if you ask me. When I do brakes on a custom vehicle I don't ask for permission from DOT I just buy parts that are DOT approved. Match up parts that in the engineering world calculate out correctly what's the deal?

Really there is no difference except a couple more tons of weight travelling down the road. Don't get me wrong. I plan on going to disc brakes when I can afford to, but the "powers that be" sometimes don't see things the way we do. Also if the party that gets hit if your in an accident has a good lawyer they can really put the hurt on you. That is why you need to have a "safety inspection" done to your truck after modifying the brakes by your local State Patrol. Tell them what you did and they'll take it from there. Usually a road test and up close vehicle inspection will allow you to get certified by them. Though I did have a State Trooper once who must have gotten out of bed on the wrong side that day. It took hours, and involved several inspectors going over my truck before they let me go.

 

[fleetmech]

Its sad that you have to base your judgments strictly on tort law, knowing its your butt on the line either way... homebrew mods to improve safety, or OEM 'engineered' mediocrity?

I feel like you'd have a chance as long as all components are DOT approved, but who knows. Dual circuit conversions are not an unheard of thing in the rest of the classic car world, after all.

 

[rustystud]

Its sad that you have to base your judgments strictly on tort law, knowing its your butt on the line either way... homebrew mods to improve safety, or OEM 'engineered' mediocrity?

I feel like you'd have a chance as long as all components are DOT approved, but who knows. Dual circuit conversions are not an unheard of thing in the rest of the classic car world, after all.

Totally agree with you.

 

[swbradley1]

Its sad that you have to base your judgments strictly on tort law, knowing its your butt on the line either way... homebrew mods to improve safety, or OEM 'engineered' mediocrity?

I feel like you'd have a chance as long as all components are DOT approved, but who knows. Dual circuit conversions are not an unheard of thing in the rest of the classic car world, after all.

Yes, it is sad but it is the world we live in. I'm risk averse in my profession and carry specialty insurance in my private life for it as well.

It's not like I have never added a safety feature to an MV. Remote reservoir to my M813 when I still had it was good thing.

 

[DaneGer21]

I could see if it was installed incorrectly or poorly, but I don’t know how an upgraded safety feature could be a bad thing.

I think an added circuit is a good thing! Not to mention parts from one of the biggest, probably the biggest, brake company, Wilwood.

 

[rustystud]

I could see if it was installed incorrectly or poorly, but I don’t know how an upgraded safety feature could be a bad thing.

I think an added circuit is a good thing! Not to mention parts from one of the biggest, probably the biggest, brake company, Wilwood.

I think you hit on one of the major concerns of the DOT people. Incorrectly installed parts. Who wouldn't agree that adding a dual brake system to an old single brake system isn't a good thing ? Added redundancy is great ! If installed incorrectly then it could be a potential bomb travelling down the road.
That is why I have the "State Patrol" inspect anything involving the brake system. If I'm involved in an accident, then the lawyers cannot come after me for a faulty/non OEM brake system. When I do go with the disc brake system, you can be assured I will be having it inspected.