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Newbie looking to bid on Mep-003a

seamaster32

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Im a newbie here and was hoping to introduce myself and get some advice on bidding on a MEP-003a Gennie. This seems like a very friendly forum with members that really try to help each other. After the latest rounds of storms on the East Coast that knocked my family out of power for 7.5 days in record temps and growing VERY tired of feeding my "anemic" gasoline generator twice a day, my hopes were to buy a 003a (to run entire house during outages..including HVAC) and tie it in to my existing heating oil tank for fuel.

Never owning or pricing one prior, can someone offer some advice on bidding on them? What do they "normally" go for and besides the obvious cheaper the better, what price would be considered good vs overpaying? What are the general condition of them? I have noticed that some have extremely low hours and some are well into the thousands? Should I just bid on the lower hour models? Is there a means of previewing them prior to bidding? The GL site states no customer escort however it also says appointment only..
Thanks in advance!
 

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Welcome to the OD Green machine madness.

Buying from GL is a BIG gamble. Alot of the gensets are junk, but there are many gems also. As always, buyer beware.

Previews always depend on the location.

We have a big warehouse in Oklahoma City. On alot of the items that you go out to preview go like this: "See that box on the top of the shelf? That is the item. Good luck on bidding"

If you can preview, please do. But beaware that the "item" may change (ie. parts dissappear) before pickup. You will not be able to start any of them.

If this will be your only purchase, then I would recommend buying from a dealer where you can "kick the tires" before you buy.
 

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Thx Warthog.. thats about what I figured... does seem a bit of a gamble when you cannot actually see what you are bidding on. There are a few on Ebay/local listings that are into the 3k+ range. Honestly, I really did not want to spend that kind of money and was hoping to get one much cheaper. Reading a bunch of the posts here seem that some people really made out and some people really got taken.
 

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It's a crap shoot at best without preview. I bought a 003A sight-unseen, but previewing wouldn't have helped, since the problem it had required me to purchase a new (surplus) IP. In the final analysis and including shipping it, I got mine operational for less than half what the going rate is locally for a 003A. YMMV.
 

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Contact Speddmon. He is our resident genset expert. He can answer alot of your questions.

I drug home a MEP-005A 30K genset for the same purpose. The wife took one look at it and I was on my way to Lowes to buy a civvy 10K unit......:whistle:
 

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Ok, as others have said it is a dice roll, I have bought 5 or 6 generators from GL now (depending on how you count it as one is being resold as is). A couple would start up and run with only fluids, filters, and batteries, but all had some issues that needed to be addressed to be fully functional, this may be something like the bad aux fuel tank selector valve on the MEP-016d I recently bought (it also had 0 hours showing on the meter, but did really have some run time, someone installed a DC hour meter jumpered off the AC panel outlet), or it may be more serious like a seized engine, or missing control board, or somewhere in between.


As to the hours question, it is a dice roll, a low hour meter may mean a recent rebuild job, or may mean a meter died in the field and was replaced with a new one. A lot of people will pay a price premium for low hours showing, I know I fell into that trap somewhat on my recent purchase of the "0" hour MEP-016d even though I should have known better. My best advice on when looking at hour meters, first see if the mounting screws are rusted, if they are it is likely they meter was not recently changed, second when looking at GL auctions read the photo of the hours yourself, they often drop the decimal place in the text turning an 850.6 hour generator into an 8506 hour. Also avoid the extremely high hour generators, say anything over 4,000 hours (the rebuild schedule considers the 1800 rpm generators deployable at up to 5,000 hours, and the 3600 rpm units at up to 2500 hours). You may also look for other indications that the generator has been recently serviced, this may be in the form of data plates listing dates when a reset occurred, or like on my recently bought MEP-002a a stenciled "Serviced" and 2008 date painted on the side as a recently serviced somewhat higher hour generator may be better than a low hour one that has been sitting up for a decade or more with a seized injection pump.

As to the big question of price, it depends with location, in my area along the gulf coast prices tend to go up in hurricane season, but deals can still be found. On average for the last year or two MEP-002a's have been selling for $750-$1,200 depending on condition and whim of the market, MEP-003a's are a lot less common and seem to sell in the $1,700 - $2,500 range, somewhat more when mounted on trailers, I recently saw a nice looking trailer mounted low hour meter, single MEP-003a go for over $5,000 once you add auction fees and tax to the total. Having said that sometimes lots will sell off cheap, my recently purchased MEP-002a with 2060 hours showing on the meter sold for under $400, and others in the same batch sold for $300 - $750.

Previews can be good, I have rarely done them myself, ability to preview will vary by location, some sites are worse than others for parts walking off after the preview. In the best case expect to be able to do a walk around kick the tires, and if your lucky open up an access panel and peak inside, now that GL has started posting higher resolution photos I think the benefit of a hands on preview has decreased. Note you are not alone in thinking about buying a surplus generator after the recent east coast power event, I suspect it will drive up prices on these GL generators nation wide for many months.

Ike
 

seamaster32

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Thanks for all the great insight and advice. I was able to schedule a preview at the site this Wednesday. I really wish there were some information as to what the generator required. If I have to pay in upwards of 2k for a 003 with potential dead IP or worse, the cost is in the same ball park of a 003 that is sold on the open market that is "guaranteed" to work. Any "honest"
places/people to purchase one of these? I have a line on one that has very low hours and is guaranteed to work for roughly 3k. The issue is I have a gas guzzler that gives me 8.5 kw but will not run my A/C with other motors in operation (ex. freezer, fridge, etc.) Hard to justify the additional $$$ for the next unknown outage to just gain A/C...though it was brutally hot this past week!
 

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My general advice is when buying from GL don't spend more than you can afford to loose, while I have been lucky overall in my 15-20 equipment purchases from GL over the last few years a couple have turned out to be paperweights and a couple of others I have spent as much or more than I paid for them on repairs. Still it is nice when you buy something for a couple of hundred dollars that is in good condition that sold new for several thousand dollars and the only thing wrong with it is a broken $.99 part.

Ike

p.s. It does really seem to be a numbers game with the resellers, many will buy out entire sales lots spend a little time fixing up the majority of them selling them for about double what they paid , and scrap the rest after scavenging them for parts.
 
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Saw a mep003 sell on GSAast week for $800 , looked good in the one pic they had on GSA . I go preview it , it had a smashed control panel . Chances are the guy that got it did not have any idea . Saw several other units missing major parts you could not see in the pics they had posted . Don't spend any more $$ than you think you could get out it if you parted it out .
 

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Have you checked the classifieds on here? I know there is one person on here with a couple for sale, or did have. I can't think of his name right off the bat, I hate getting old. Depending on your house you might only need an 002. They will put out a solid 7500 watts.

Rick
 

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If you buy one that has a dead IP, it's not that big of a deal to get it running again by yourself. The TM's do a WONDERFUL job of explaining EVERYTHING you need to know about rebuilding the IP. It's an easy job if you have any mechanical aptitude at all. As for the prices, like mentioned before, it's a gamble from Gl. But don't be surprised if a LOT of people just like yourself are out looking for one at this time as well. This will drive the prices up considerably.
 

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The injection pump is not the big deal, it is that **** timing button!

Rick
:ditto:

I say, if it has the IP fully assembled, you don't need to find another. It is so simple of a design, it is easy to fix and the parts are available.

IF NOT all there then.... aua:deadhorse:
 

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Ft Meade has a generous preview policy. If you tell Jason you want to take a 5/8" deep socket with you to turn the fan to check against frozen up engine, and take a flat blade screw driver to open control boxes to check for missing electronic items, he will likely cooperate. Since the site is not escorted, they do have some parts walking between units, unless they have tightened up recently.

Preview as many as you can and take notes by lot number . Your time there is not limited unless appointment is late in the day.
Jerry
 
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seamaster32

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Thanks for all the great info. I did take a look and preview the site, however that was prior to seeing the recommendation of speaking with Jason and bringing a 5/8 socket. Even looking at them, the only judgement made could be aesthetics (amount of rust, dents, replaced parts, etc) so not sure what I accomplished.

When I visited the site (I work on Ft. Meade anyway so the drive was nominal) Laura seemed to be the one in charge.
 

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If you preview take good pics. Then if something is missing after the auction you can maybe negotiate something.

 

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Laura is the office person. Unless he has left GL or was on vacation, Jason is in charge. He is usually outside or in the warehouse. You can still preview during the auction. Camera is good advice.
Jerry
 

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My buddy got some ammo cans once. When we went to pick them up several were missing lids. The auction was for cans with lids. We pointed out the missing lids and the GL person retrieved some lids for us. I'm pretty sure they came from another lot, probably someone else's nearby auction lot who had yet to pick them up.

If you preview take good notes, pics, and/or video of the items you plan to bid on. Retrieve early, if you can. If something is missing then let them know. They may be able to replace the item from a unit not yet up for auction or something (from someone else's unit?). If the missing part is major and they can't find a replacement then you might get the auction nullified. For example, you bid on an MEP-003A and when you get there the injection pump that is clearly shown in the auction pics (or pics you took) is missing.

All of the GL people and military people I've dealt with were good. I don't think anyone would necessarily steal or misrepresent the items for auction. They just want the stuff gone. But, if something does happen there are logical steps to be taken.

 
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