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what besides money would one need to add a fifth wheel to a 816?
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strech 816 into 819?
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a place to put it. a longer frame, a different body. many many things.
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that would be a nice project
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819 has a massive frame under it for the longer frame and fith wheel. it is not the same frame as 816. Anything can be done, but these two are completely different trucks.
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You would have to loose the big winch on the back of the 816 and butcher the rear deck of the wrecker body.
IMO that is one of the pluses of the 816 and by removing it you would diminish the mission capability of the vehicle.
The M246 was a wrecker with a 5th wheel. It's main mission was recovering downed choppers using the (I think) M127 36 foot drop deck trailer.
That would be another problem, the 5th wheel highth would limit the type trailer you could use.
If you need to haul a trailer with the wrecker consider a tow dolly or a tag trailer that can be pulled using the pintle hitch.
Just my humble opinion.
IMO that is one of the pluses of the 816 and by removing it you would diminish the mission capability of the vehicle.
The M246 was a wrecker with a 5th wheel. It's main mission was recovering downed choppers using the (I think) M127 36 foot drop deck trailer.
That would be another problem, the 5th wheel highth would limit the type trailer you could use.
If you need to haul a trailer with the wrecker consider a tow dolly or a tag trailer that can be pulled using the pintle hitch.
Just my humble opinion.
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the rear bed mods would not be bad, its the clearence needed to pull the trailer, if you place the 5th wheel where it needs to be, you will be to close to the crane on the 816 and if you place it way to the rear, you will have a rear heavy truck if the trailer has much of a load. tha way the 816 sits now, its not hard to get it tail heavy
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You have a very uphill battle. This is akin to saying "I own a Kenworth bus, what will it take to turn it into a Mack fire engine?"
Save your $$$, and buy the real thing. It isn't worth the headache to convert.
Save your $$$, and buy the real thing. It isn't worth the headache to convert.
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I have to agree with MD308 here. I mean, that's such a monumental task and you have to ask yourself what you will gain out of it? You'll have an 819 with a rear winch.
Why don't you just find a way to mount a rear winch on an 819? That way, you have the long boom and fifth wheel of the 819 and the rear recovery winch of the 816. No frame cutting, etc.
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Jeff, i know where a (almost compleat but a cane harvester has it, need i say more) 246 in la,, i would say aboue 4 hours fom you, i think the 5th wheel is missing and bed sorta moded. this would be a good start for your conversion as you would have the longer frame, running gear,. still a lot of work. the owner said he would sell it for scrap price
if interested pm me with a number, i
if interested pm me with a number, i
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other than running a pto, it would be easy to add a rear winch. fithwheel can be bolted all the way foward or backward to make room, or removed.
M246 is the same bed as m819. Jyst an earlier version with the gasser or multifuel
M246 is the same bed as m819. Jyst an earlier version with the gasser or multifuel
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no need for a pto, the 816/819 already have hyd. , just set up a in frame hyd. rear winch
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I haven't seen anything from the OP stating that he wanted the rear winch to remain after the conversion (or maybe he does, I don't know)
I would say to sell the M816 and find a M819 instead if that's what you want. I know where at least one is here in CO that would be available for sale, although it's a project vehicle, not a runner.
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Joe
I would say to sell the M816 and find a M819 instead if that's what you want. I know where at least one is here in CO that would be available for sale, although it's a project vehicle, not a runner.
Later,
Joe
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If he only needs a 5th wheel, why not just get a dolly?
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I assumed since he already has an M816 which has a rear winch that he wanted both, a rear winch and a 5th wheel-otherwise, why would you just not sell the 816 and buy an 819?
That was my thought.
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Ok, I want it all but I am not rich, so sell my 816 and buy 819 thats like telling me to sell a 86 buick regal limited and buy a 86 buick Grand National,won't cover the price. Now I do have time to make something if I can, would like to keep the new rear 45,000 winch and have a useable fifth wheel, so what about a 10x10 or 8x8 use the back of 818 frame and all! Or do I need the bigger frame of the 819, come on guys think outside the box, help a old jarhead to make up his mind on the options.
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I would go find a concrete truck in a junkyard put all your crap on that axle motor cab ect.. save the truck buildit out of junk. There is a truck dealer in IN. who has an 819 bed on a singled axle for f700 saw it last year. maybe you can find it?
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Just buy the dolly and you have both very cheap.
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Jeff,
One issue you may be over looking is total lenght of the vehicle.
The 816 is 26 1/2 feet bumper to bumperetts.
You would need to add at least 10 feet of frame to mount a 5th wheel (probably with at least one tag axle under it) behind the winch.
That gives you a total lenght of 36 1/2 feet.
If I remember correctly the max lenght of a "combination" vehicle is 62 feet.
That leaves 25 1/2 feet for a trailer......you could haul a deuce but prob not a 5 ton cargo.
The 816 weighs 36,000 without crew, full load of fuel, tools and attachments.
That leaves 44,000 not counting the fifth wheel addition and weight of the trailer.
I'll Wild A$$ Guess that at 10,000 which leaves you at 36,000 cargo weight. That is heavy for a 25 foot trailer. That will have to be a custom trailer to set correctly on that high 5th wheel.
And don't forget the "Bridge Law" that LA and other states enforce.......you can gross 80,00 but your axles have to be spaced correctly or you will be fined.
So you are starting out with a 46,000 pound vehicle with a 250 HP engine and then you add cargo weight to that. And the 816 has a bad lag between 3-4 gear.
You are going to be one big, slow, "toad in the road".
And don't forget turning radius and going around corners.......you would have to make huge swings when making right hand turns. This gives the terminally stupid drivers out there one more chance to make you use your insurance. Assuming that you could get insurance on a "modified" vehicle of that size.
I'm not trying to rain on your parade but these are things you have to consider.
Just my two coppers worth.
One issue you may be over looking is total lenght of the vehicle.
The 816 is 26 1/2 feet bumper to bumperetts.
You would need to add at least 10 feet of frame to mount a 5th wheel (probably with at least one tag axle under it) behind the winch.
That gives you a total lenght of 36 1/2 feet.
If I remember correctly the max lenght of a "combination" vehicle is 62 feet.
That leaves 25 1/2 feet for a trailer......you could haul a deuce but prob not a 5 ton cargo.
The 816 weighs 36,000 without crew, full load of fuel, tools and attachments.
That leaves 44,000 not counting the fifth wheel addition and weight of the trailer.
I'll Wild A$$ Guess that at 10,000 which leaves you at 36,000 cargo weight. That is heavy for a 25 foot trailer. That will have to be a custom trailer to set correctly on that high 5th wheel.
And don't forget the "Bridge Law" that LA and other states enforce.......you can gross 80,00 but your axles have to be spaced correctly or you will be fined.
So you are starting out with a 46,000 pound vehicle with a 250 HP engine and then you add cargo weight to that. And the 816 has a bad lag between 3-4 gear.
You are going to be one big, slow, "toad in the road".
And don't forget turning radius and going around corners.......you would have to make huge swings when making right hand turns. This gives the terminally stupid drivers out there one more chance to make you use your insurance. Assuming that you could get insurance on a "modified" vehicle of that size.
I'm not trying to rain on your parade but these are things you have to consider.
Just my two coppers worth.