Tire talk

[juanprado]

that is expressed in the ratings.
the higher the number, the harder the rubber and lasts longer hence more mileage.
Tires are rated for example 500/A/A
The letter grades are temperature and traction.

 

[thoner7]

that is expressed in the ratings.
the higher the number, the harder the rubber and lasts longer hence more mileage.
Tires are rated for example 500/A/A
The letter grades are temperature and traction.

Interesting. I’ve never heard of such a thing and researching it, I can’t find any info on the tires I was considering at all

 

[juanprado]

Has to be listed on the sidewall and the tire sticker of a new tire.
Commonly listed on the manufacturer's website/catalog.

 

[vmaxmike]

Interesting. I’ve never heard of such a thing and researching it, I can’t find any info on the tires I was considering at all

Google UTQG

you'll get an explanation

Tread wear is mainly about the tires durometer measurement ( hardness of the compound )

This measurement also changes with heat cycles.

M.

 

[vmaxmike]

It short the lower the UTQG number the softer the rubber ( think sticky good for high speed cornering ) but they don't last.

The Higher the number the harder the rubber ( They wear much slower ) but they don't stick.


M.

 

[thoner7]

I emailed Mickey Thompson about their Baja tire and they said it wasn’t tested/rated.

this tire came up and the price is tempting, but also because it’s a 10ply E2 load range. Most others at C range.
Just wish the tread was more aggressive

https://www.discounttiredirect.com/buy-tires/gladiator-x-comp-a-t/p/37630

 

[Gamble]

40 inch Nitto Mud Grapplers on 20 inch wheel.

 

[87cr250r]

I think the rating requirements only apply to P series tires, P315/85R17 and not LT series, LT12.5/37R17 for example.

 

[GTUnit]

Just a PSA on tires with old date codes. On the trail in the dirt you can get away with almost whatever as long as its stays together and holds air.

On pavement is when things really change and it gets serious.
Old date tires on pavement at moderate to highway speeds are Dangerous. (speaking from research AND experience.. bad ones)
Rubber is always drying and breaking down (at different rates in different environments but this basic fact does not change)
In most cases it becomes Harder and less pliable/stiffer with age.
So in older tires all the factory engineered tire dynamics and performance change to where they the tire no longer performs as intended.
This may be a mild change (depending on age and chemical composition) like tire that used to grip from a standing start that now breaks loose and spins on acceleration. It may also be a more serious performance degradation where all the tires will break loose on a basic lane change or change in road elevtion that unsettles the vehicle and you will go spinning across the road into oncoming traffic at 50mph.

This will be worse on road cars. I haven't experienced it in a truck with offroad tires but the rubber issue is the same. Maybe a light rain or snow and you get wrapped around a tree.

Bottom line is if you plan on travelling on paved roads at speeds above say 40 mph I would not use old tires. It creates a pretty significant risk to you, family, other valued occupants. Truck is replicable but still not worth rolling those dice after all the effort that went into it.

 

[rolling18]

MT/R’s are garbage….love the look, the tire sucks….we only use BFG Baja

interesting.. What has happened that makes them universally "garbage"? and NOT the BFG...... (im in market for tires)

 

[gringeltaube]

interesting.. What has happened that makes them universally "garbage"? ..........

HMMWV MT/R tires: Some go, some blow....

Goodyear MT/R Tires Safety Message

I received a Safety of Use Message reference Goodyear MT/R tires older than 5 years. Govt has directed any of these tires over 5 years old (specifically Goodyear MT/R) get removed before operating due to sidewall blowouts. At least two accidents involving injury are attributed to this in...

www.steelsoldiers.com

From my own experience: out of about 50 tires sold (all are LR "E" and dated 2008/2009) only ~10% of them have failed, so far.
They all start to develop cracks right here, just like this one:


I'm convinced that this happens mainly with the LR E tires (which have a stiffer carcass than LR D), when people put them on heavy vehicles, run them at highway speeds, at relatively low TP's. Plus the fact that old rubber just doesn't flex like when fresh out of the mold.

Besides that we don't know the history of these surplus tires. At the time when GL still used to sell these (by the hundreds of lots, each week) most of them came from HMMWVs which were cut up in pieces. Who knows for how long (maybe years) these vehicles had been standing stationary awaiting their fate, possibly even deflated some.

 

[Gcelevator]

I just pulled the trigger on some Black Rhino Abrams and Toyo open country AT. Tired of the jumping and wobbling around with the military tires.

 

[fuzzytoaster]

HMMWV MT/R tires: Some go, some blow....

Goodyear MT/R Tires Safety Message

I received a Safety of Use Message reference Goodyear MT/R tires older than 5 years. Govt has directed any of these tires over 5 years old (specifically Goodyear MT/R) get removed before operating due to sidewall blowouts. At least two accidents involving injury are attributed to this in...

www.steelsoldiers.com

From my own experience: out of about 50 tires sold (all are LR "E" and dated 2008/2009) only ~10% of them have failed, so far.
They all start to develop cracks right here, just like this one:
View attachment 890299 View attachment 890300

I'm convinced that this happens mainly with the LR E tires (which have a stiffer carcass than LR D), when people put them on heavy vehicles, run them at highway speeds, at relatively low TP's. Plus the fact that old rubber just doesn't flex like when fresh out of the mold.

Besides that we don't know the history of these surplus tires. At the time when GL still used to sell these (by the hundreds of lots, each week) most of them came from HMMWVs which were cut up in pieces. Who knows for how long (maybe years) these vehicles had been standing stationary awaiting their fate, possibly even deflated some.

Agreed. It helps that we don't carry around all the armor package weight and etc too. I have several hundred of the MT/Rs on rim dated 2016/2017 that are NOS. About half have never seen the ground until I rolled them around for inspection. I'm not afraid to use them and tire on rim with run flat is hard to beat for the buy.

 

[jake-cutter]

So where is the best place to get a full set of tires and wheels?

 

[fuzzytoaster]

So where is the best place to get a full set of tires and wheels?

I've got them in Dallas and can have them brought down to Conroe next week. These are NOS Wranglers (2017) on 24 bolt rim with run flats.

 

[mgFray]

So where is the best place to get a full set of tires and wheels?

Can't help you with the wheels, but if you want _NEW_ original Goodyear Wrangler MT (not R), any commercial goodyear dealer can now request them. My understanding is they are not directly orderable, but their rep can get them. (I ordered mine through my local Discount Tire. They would NOT mount them, but ordering was no problem. Took about 3 weeks for them to arrive. They were manufactured about a month before I ordered them.)

I don't know if the MT/R are available or not. They have a new 'enforcer' tire, it might be the replacement for the MT/R.

I wasn't able to find any place for the BFG Baja's new, only surplus.

 

[HUNvee]

I've got them in Dallas and can have them brought down to Conroe next week. These are NOS Wranglers (2017) on 24 bolt rim with run flats.

A palette doesn't happen to roll all the way to Houston?

 

[fuzzytoaster]

A palette doesn't happen to roll all the way to Houston?

It sure can. I've got a pallet going to League City soon. Message me.

 

[Gcelevator]

Can't help you with the wheels, but if you want _NEW_ original Goodyear Wrangler MT (not R), any commercial goodyear dealer can now request them. My understanding is they are not directly orderable, but their rep can get them. (I ordered mine through my local Discount Tire. They would NOT mount them, but ordering was no problem. Took about 3 weeks for them to arrive. They were manufactured about a month before I ordered them.)

I don't know if the MT/R are available or not. They have a new 'enforcer' tire, it might be the replacement for the MT/R.

I wasn't able to find any place for the BFG Baja's new, only surplus.

I asked my tire place/friend that takes care of all my commercial trucks to check them for me. He called me 3 days later and said they are not available from the manufacturer or any place. Supply is dry, i ended up ordering new aftermarket rims and tires. I wanted to keep the original look but to no available.