Whats the real Truth ???

[erniemigi]

We should have a section on SS that you can nominate Members and there Quotes to be put in and call it "The Best of SS" I nominate Dug and Gimpy

 

[bulldog_mack13]

WOW Dug, thats some thing id type up, your the man! - Jay

PS Noone 90% of the time can say the milage on a MV is correct. Anyone can change them out and if one broke in a truck they were changed too.

 

[Medic5050]

We should have a section on SS that you can nominate Members and there Quotes to be put in and call it "The Best of SS" I nominate Dug and Gimpy

110% Agreed.

 

[DieselBob]

Dug, You da man. That was a riot. I'm still

 

[LanceRobson]

Why is it that these conspiracy theories seem to come in streaks?

Almost every one of the remaining M44, and M809 and CUCV series trucks belonged to guard and reserve units. Now take off your aluminum foil hat, stop worrying about the black stealth helicopters you think are hovering over your house trying to read your thoughts and think for a moment.

These trucks were mobilization assets that were intended to be available for overseas deployment. Every unit needed a full fleet of trucks to meet it's wartime tasks. Other than combat arms and some combat service support units that need to spend time in the field to rain most units are in the guard and reserve precisely because the unit type is only needed in a major conflict or because the DOD does not need all of that type of unit in peace time.

The result is that an infantry unit that is say, 200 miles from a suitable training base may travel there 2-3 weekends a year and once for a 15 day annual training event. During annual training some trucks drive to the training base and then don't move until the trip back to home station. Some get used daily but distances driven by say, a truck in an ammunition section that is making the rounds to ranges, are still short by civilian route truck standards. Even those trucks may get driven around only 7-8 days of the annual training period.

If they need and use every truck for every training event (not very common) the fleet will still only see 14-16 days of use per year and get maybe 3,000 miles a year put on them, probably less. Now remember that this is in the units that use the trucks the most. The other exceptions are some construction trucks like dump trucks and transportation units who sometimes rack up a lot of miles. A finance company, medical clinic or civil affairs unit may not take their trucks out of the motor pool for a few years at a stretch yet they still have them in case of a major war.

The advent of the GWOT, the Global War On Terror, did three big things that effect the MV world.

1. It caused a lot of money to become available for parts in units that previously had low priority in funding. Previously, funding had been allocated based on how likely a unit was to deploy in wartime and how much time the planners thought they would have to get ready. It was thought that money would be saved in the long run by not maintaining the trucks fully during peacetime and that many units would have 6 months or longer to "get up to speed". This assumption was found to be false since the conflict type changes the time line but the DOD was clinging to a cold war mindset where it thought it would spot a Soviet build up months before the fighting started.

2. After the first few years of the GWOT most guard and reserve units no longer deployed with their vehicles. The older trucks are less able in combat and there is now a very large fleet of vehicles that stay in the combat zones and get passed from a departing unit to an arriving one. The result of that is that when home many units perform very basic manitenance in terms of hours spent but still replace parts when needed and the trucks sit in the motor pool. The unit trains on the few newer vehicles it has because that is what it will use on it's next deployment.

3. The powers that be were finally convinced that guard and reserve units need modern vehicles to train and fight effectively. The pace of replacing the older vehicles has speeded up tremendously. Where the M35A3s, for example, were expected to lengthen the service live by many years they were found inadequate by modern standards and are being sold off.

The trucks being sold today are generally in much better shape than the cannibalized hanger queens and wrecks we had to buy 2 or 3 of ten years ago to piece one good truck together from. When these trcks are gone there will be darn few trucks being sold and prices will go back through the roof.

As the last of the CUCVs, M44 and M809 series vehicles get sold out of the service we are in the tail end of a "golden era" for MV buyers. Not since the aftermath of WWII have so many MVs, trailers, generators and other equipment hit the market.

It's time to hang up the conspiracy theories and buy a few trucks while they are available.

Lance

 

[DUG]

Why is it that these conspiracy theories seem to come in streaks?

Almost every one of the remaining M44, and M809 and CUCV series trucks belonged to guard and reserve units. Now take off your aluminum foil hat, stop worrying about the black stealth helicopters you think are hovering over your house trying to read your thoughts and think for a moment.

These trucks were mobilization assets that were intended to be available for overseas deployment. Every unit needed a full fleet of trucks to meet it's wartime tasks. Other than combat arms and some combat service support units that need to spend time in the field to rain most units are in the guard and reserve precisely because the unit type is only needed in a major conflict or because the DOD does not need all of that type of unit in peace time.

The result is that an infantry unit that is say, 200 miles from a suitable training base may travel there 2-3 weekends a year and once for a 15 day annual training event. During annual training some trucks drive to the training base and then don't move until the trip back to home station. Some get used daily but distances driven by say, a truck in an ammunition section that is making the rounds to ranges, are still short by civilian route truck standards. Even those trucks may get driven around only 7-8 days of the annual training period.

If they need and use every truck for every training event (not very common) the fleet will still only see 14-16 days of use per year and get maybe 3,000 miles a year put on them, probably less. Now remember that this is in the units that use the trucks the most. The other exceptions are some construction trucks like dump trucks and transportation units who sometimes rack up a lot of miles. A finance company, medical clinic or civil affairs unit may not take their trucks out of the motor pool for a few years at a stretch yet they still have them in case of a major war.

The advent of the GWOT, the Global War On Terror, did three big things that effect the MV world.

1. It caused a lot of money to become available for parts in units that previously had low priority in funding. Previously, funding had been allocated based on how likely a unit was to deploy in wartime and how much time the planners thought they would have to get ready. It was thought that money would be saved in the long run by not maintaining the trucks fully during peacetime and that many units would have 6 months or longer to "get up to speed". This assumption was found to be false since the conflict type changes the time line but the DOD was clinging to a cold war mindset where it thought it would spot a Soviet build up months before the fighting started.

2. After the first few years of the GWOT most guard and reserve units no longer deployed with their vehicles. The older trucks are less able in combat and there is now a very large fleet of vehicles that stay in the combat zones and get passed from a departing unit to an arriving one. The result of that is that when home many units perform very basic manitenance in terms of hours spent but still replace parts when needed and the trucks sit in the motor pool. The unit trains on the few newer vehicles it has because that is what it will use on it's next deployment.

3. The powers that be were finally convinced that guard and reserve units need modern vehicles to train and fight effectively. The pace of replacing the older vehicles has speeded up tremendously. Where the M35A3s, for example, were expected to lengthen the service live by many years they were found inadequate by modern standards and are being sold off.

The trucks being sold today are generally in much better shape than the cannibalized hanger queens and wrecks we had to buy 2 or 3 of ten years ago to piece one good truck together from. When these trcks are gone there will be darn few trucks being sold and prices will go back through the roof.

As the last of the CUCVs, M44 and M809 series vehicles get sold out of the service we are in the tail end of a "golden era" for MV buyers. Not since the aftermath of WWII have so many MVs, trailers, generators and other equipment hit the market.

It's time to hang up the conspiracy theories and buy a few trucks while they are available.

Lance

I'm pretty sure everyone with even a dash of common sense knows this. Doesn't make it funny though. Tin foil and some stolen moments from a movie make it funny. And really, don't we all just want to stop taking something seriously for a few minutes?

I like to imagine fleets of high mileage MVs in secret DRMO lots all up on jackstands running in reverse at high speed while Ferris and Cameron observe the odometer readings. Just because it won't work on a vintage Ferrari doesn't mean it won't work with a high mileage MV. (I'm sure half the board will be out trying now).

I also think Gimp is FULL of chit. While we all sleep they DO indeed drive these to the war. How else would the get them there? Trains? Ships? Semis? Yeah, right. I think they install the water carb attachment to up the mileage to 110 MPG and drive them up the secret bridge from Alaska to brother Russia and beyond. THAT's why Ice Road Truckers was moved to "Most Dangerous Roads" - Lisa Kelly and Jack Jesse had stumbled onto the secret bridge-to-no-where that REALLY goes to Russia.

Yeah Lance - you're "probably" right, but which idea is funnier? Which idea do SS members talk about after the flaming doughnut nearly takes out the short bus? (that was 110% TRUE - BTW)

Just remember - Expect what you inspect. If the truck looks solid on your GL preview it doesn't matter what the Odometer says. I am a highly trained Avaition Support Equipment Technician (just ask the Navy) and I can tell you that we swap gauges all the time. Usually it's documented in the history record, but sometimes during a deployment, chit happens. And I can tell you from first hand experience, no one give a **** about the collector who might buy it at a GL auction on down the road. Getting it operational and back in the fight is all my guys care about. The only item we take very seriously is the ship's crash crane and and the gas turbines used to start jet aircraft. Everything else had gages swapped, changed, etc to make it work - usually documented.

 

[Motorcar]

My Deuce gauges had 83,400 miles and 2510 hours respectively when I bought it off the GL lot, must has missed the rollback specialist. Has greater value than a low number gauge truck because of proven reliability

 

[dragonwagon]

My Deuce gauges had 83,400 miles and 2510 hours respectively when I bought it off the GL lot, must has missed the rollback specialist. Has greater value than a low number gauge truck because of proven reliability

Stop trying to " jack " the price of your truck up . You failed to mention the maintence records you got with it . 14 motors , 9 trasnmissions and what about the 12 crashes it had been in ?

BUSTED

Im a Sergeant Major < see under dragonwagon . Nice try " private "

 

[DUG]

Mileage PLUS UP team strikes again.

 

[BBoomerBootCamp]

"I Can't Handle The Truth"

 

[Motorcar]

14 motors , 9 trasnmissions and what about the 12 crashes it had been in ?

BUSTED

"Im a Sergeant Major < see under dragonwagon "......Whatever...