White 465 Motors At Work On The Farm

[M543A2]

Included are photos of a White farm tractor that has the same basic engine in it as the deuce and 5 ton motors. In fact, ordnance numbers will be found on many parts in the engine when torn down. This is the kind of work these engines are doing for long hours each day at high load levels all day long with no significant problems in models of the White tractors. There is a larger model White tractor than this that uses the same engine with the power turned up more. This particular tractor has over 5,000 hours time on the same engine.
This kind of service, along with the service we get out of our turned up motors in our trucks on the farm is why I always take exception to statements that these are "come apart" motors and the flat statement "turn it up and blow it up".
I believe most failed engines are the result of poor building practice or drivers that did not care how they treated the truck before the hapless last owner bought it and had trouble with it. Failures of turned up engines can also be the fault of a driver that does not have proper gauges to monitor engine exhaust temperatures and boost levels. These engines are build a whole lot heavier inside that are Deere motors of comparable displacement. We have a lot of faith in them! In the one photo you can see the thick deck (TD) designation.

Regards Marti

 

[hklvette]

is that motor also setup as a MF engine?

 

[DAS]

MF ENGINES ARE PERKINS DIESELS.....3-4cylinders.....the 6 bangers I dont know......you are correct on the beat the he-- out of them and any of them will blow......my 2 cents DAS

 

[hoop]

MF=multi-fuel
The ag motors use different pistons.

 

[SCSG-G4]

Farm tractors are diesel only and about a 17/1 vs 22/1 compression ratio on the MF version. They are also governed to a max of 2200 RPM (no load), which is another key to long life.

 

[gringeltaube]

IP seems to be different also... (pic #5)

G.

 

[Recovry4x4]

Appreciate your input as usual Marti. I have no issues with my mutifuelers.

 

[mikew]

So, I see spin-on oil filters....

Did the tractor come that way or is it an adapter?

If it's an adaptor, where did it come from?

 

[SCSG-G4]

From what I understand, spin ons were standard, and the IP is different. Probably a lot of other differences also, but they would still fit in a deuce.

 

[M543A2]

These motors were also used in a model of the Oliver tractors, which was a division of White. I do not know of any other brands they were used in.
The early Olivers had the military filter base with adapters on them for spin-on. I found a set at a parts yard for $10. I tried to order more from parts, but they are discontinued. The type of base pictured on the tractor is the most common. It is a special casting that fits our truck engines that has the spin-on adapters cast into it. I have bought three at yards for $60 each and put them on our motors. With that said, browse tractor yards and find a base for much less than the $200 for a couple of aluminum adapters and CNC nuts in the conversion kit. I am thinking of looking into getting adapter sets made in China machine shops I have connections with through my company for probably much less than the $200 the current ones are sold for. I already have the drawings made, just have to get the time to pursue it.
Regards Marti

 

[M543A2]

The maximum governed high idle,. or no load speed, is 2370 to 2420 RPM in the tractors according to the Implement and Tractor repair manual. The 2200 number is the rated RPM the governor should hold it at under full rated load.
My point in these posts is that a knowledgeable driver with a turned up motor with proper instrumentation can enjoy the power and need not think they have to throw a bin in the back to put the failed parts in!

Regards Marti