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You may want to give George at White Owl a try. That is who I got a poppet and some other winch parts from from last year.
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Are you missing the whole drum lock or is just the threaded part broken? You can add a new threaded rod by grinding the end of the lock smooth, drilling it, tapping it, and inserting a piece of all-thread (with loctite). I've fixed several this way.
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Yes, like Sikaflex 221 or equivalents. See specs here: https://usa.sika.com/dms/getdocumen...-a021-f2cc42f4c3a6/ipd-pds-sikaflex221-us.pdf
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No, it's the other end, the interior end, that is badly bent sideways.
OK this is looking ahead a little, but let's talk about the orientation of the automatic brake case assembly on the right-hand end of the winch. My two winches have them oriented differently. One has the adjusting screw on the bottom, and the other one has it on the right side. I figured one of them must be wrong, BUT looking at the TM it actually shows BOTH orientations on different pages of the same process. Attached are pics from TM9-2320-209-34-2-3 pages 18-30 and 18-32.
Is one correct or does it not matter?
Is one correct or does it not matter?
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It's six to one, half a dozen to the other....
I have found them both ways; also after depot-rebuilt.
FWIW; in the "down" position you can better read the dataplate..... and it would be more difficult to loose the adjusting screw, should it come all the way out of the nut...
NOT enough reasons for me to NOT install them sideways.
G.
I have found them both ways; also after depot-rebuilt.
FWIW; in the "down" position you can better read the dataplate..... and it would be more difficult to loose the adjusting screw, should it come all the way out of the nut...
NOT enough reasons for me to NOT install them sideways.
G.
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Cracked open the brake case assembly on winch #2 and found...WATER! A couple cups of it came pouring out. Then sludge, oil, and sandy grit. Fun, fun!
Hopefully the other winch won't have that problem, but both of them have leaking seals everywhere and will all be replaced.
Hopefully the other winch won't have that problem, but both of them have leaking seals everywhere and will all be replaced.
After seeing the water I had to open the brake box on the other winch. No water in that one but a LOT of rust and grime. I have an e-mail in to George at White Owl to see if he carries those brake bands. If not does anyone else have them?
Also, I see a wide range of prices for the 6309 worm gear bearings--from $20 to $80. Any preferred maker / vendor of those?
Also, I see a wide range of prices for the 6309 worm gear bearings--from $20 to $80. Any preferred maker / vendor of those?
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I may have a good used band if you need it.
I replaced one bearing on my winch (don't remember which one). Got it from NAPA. I don't remember the price but it was fairly high and I later found it a lot cheaper on line.
I replaced one bearing on my winch (don't remember which one). Got it from NAPA. I don't remember the price but it was fairly high and I later found it a lot cheaper on line.
Hopefully this is the last big challenge of this operation but any tips for getting the worm drive out? The TM says "tap" it with a rawhide mallet. I don't have one of those. I bounced a rubber mallet off it a few times and then switched to a BFH with a piece of 2x4 in between to cushion the blow. I have not budged it a millimeter, as far as I can tell. It looks like maybe someone has installed the bearings with RTV / silicone or something.
It seems counter-intuitive to be hammering on the worm drive before the drum shaft gear is removed, but that's what the TM says. Also I've tried pulling out the drum gear ass'y and it won't come out, I guess until the worm drive is loose enough to lift up off of it and disengage it.
Any advice appreciated. Still waiting to hear from White Owl about the brake band, too.
It seems counter-intuitive to be hammering on the worm drive before the drum shaft gear is removed, but that's what the TM says. Also I've tried pulling out the drum gear ass'y and it won't come out, I guess until the worm drive is loose enough to lift up off of it and disengage it.
Any advice appreciated. Still waiting to hear from White Owl about the brake band, too.
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Yes, the worm must be out before you can pull the drum gear & shaft.
It already is a relatively tight fit - AL housing to bearings, but here it's probably just rust not loctite, that holds it in place. Support the housing firmly and use a bigger hammer and a good piece of brass or copper in your other hand, always protecting the shaft end with some kind of bushing. The worm is soft steel and may easily deform if you hit it directly by accident.
Always keep the gear pressed against the worm in the direction you want it to come out. (maybe a little help from Soldier B...).
If still nothing, then carefully apply heat to the housing - AL expands a lot - and try again.
It WILL come out!
G.
Thanks, G. I did hear back from White Owl, they do not have the brake bands. They have the lining and rivets kit but one of my bands is so badly rusted, I feel it needs replaced. Was told Sam Winer Motors might have them, sent an e-mail. Never heard of them before!
Got the worm gear out! The BFH never did work but I finally figured out how to situate it on the arbor press and it pressed out like butter. That drive gear--is that brass? That's one of the prettiest pieces of machinery I've ever seen. Things are moving along nicely. I'll have both winches ready by spring, with ease.
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Ahh... you didn't say you had an arbor press, did you...?
Glad you found a much better, non-destructive method...
BTW, that's always my first thought when it comes to install press-fit parts like bearings, bushings, seals; or a shaft in place - or pressing it out, in this case.
G.
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Would you (jcknife) happen to have the part number for the worm gear bearings, that you got from napa. Thank you ,Tim
I did not get them from NAPA, I got them from White Owl and I don't recall a part #. But G had listed it in another thread...I'll find it here...
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Worm gear bearings: 2x #6309 (100x45x25mm), one at each end.
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I haven't worked on these winches for a while but I'm getting to the point of re-assembly. I've noticed, though, that one of the bushing-type bearings inside the drum is fairly scored. The TM shows these as removable but I'm not immediately seeing how...
