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Working On The M561 Gama Goat

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Yes, that argon cylinder WAS SECURE. I use a ratcheting strap to secure it before removing the bonnet. That is outside of the picture, don't want this thread derailed by the safety fascists :whistle:.

On a side note, I made a twist lock pigtail off the 208 volt three phase on the M1031 SECM so now my welder is fully integrated with the truck. Plus with all extension cords, he welder can be moved up to 45 feet from the truck. With the 25' welding leads, that is an impressive reach from the truck.

More after work aluminum welding tonight, just on a hole in the water one throws MONEY into:cool:. I like money, you like money? We should hang out:lol:
 

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All loaded up for the big show this weekend. Of course I found some more yellow. Thankfully RAPCO paint comes in rattle cans. I've got 2.5 of them for the trip. Hope that's enough.

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So before painting I vac'd, blew, vac'd, blew so much felt like I was working Victory Dr. Then painted and still I get to Austin with 1/4" of sand in the crew compartment.
 

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Keith_J

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Is he on the thread here:

- That's a nice item; do you know the manufacturer, Keith_J?
No, hat was a freebie given to me in exchange for frame work on a truck. To replace the Anchor brand vise that came with the truck. That I broke swapping out universal joints. The Anchor vise will get repaired, I just have to wait for a hole in work schedule.

It is a generic Chinese knockoff. Still works fine for holding. And has more adjustment.
 

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It was a lot more fun to drive this time than the last. Having the steering actually work is a huge boon!

Seeing what Mkcoen did with this Goat in just a few weeks is truly inspiring. Great job!

Cheers
 

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I didn't get any photos at the event last weekend for some unknown reason (actually I forgot) but we've got another 3 day event coming up a week from Friday in Temple, TX. I'll try and get some shots of it milling around the herd of other MVs.

It was easy to tell the real M561 veterans simply by standing back and listening. Almost to a person the 1st thing out of their mouth was "this was the most Ef'd up POS the military ever bought." That's when I'd step in and introduce myself. Generally there was some back pedaling but I assured them I understood and that it was a lot easy to have a Goat as a toy than to have one you had to make sure was "mission ready" on a daily basis. I'll be a lot closer to Ft Hood at the next event so expect a lot more of the same.
 

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I didn't get any photos at the event last weekend for some unknown reason (actually I forgot) but we've got another 3 day event coming up a week from Friday in Temple, TX. I'll try and get some shots of it milling around the herd of other MVs.

It was easy to tell the real M561 veterans simply by standing back and listening. Almost to a person the 1st thing out of their mouth was "this was the most Ef'd up POS the military ever bought." That's when I'd step in and introduce myself. Generally there was some back pedaling but I assured them I understood and that it was a lot easy to have a Goat as a toy than to have one you had to make sure was "mission ready" on a daily basis. I'll be a lot closer to Ft Hood at the next event so expect a lot more of the same.
The truth from those that used them only adds to the interest of the Gama Goat story. Good stuff, because it's all real.
 
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Before the Goat went to the blasters we had the brakes working pretty good. At some point while it was there one of the wheels apparently bled down and since I was in a hurry to get it painted before Muster there wasn't much time spent on them. I was able to move it around easy enough using the parking brake and moving as slow as I was around setting up at the event I just had to put the clutch in and it would stop. Since I had a couple of weeks between Muster and Temple I figured I'd take a closer look at things.

After being parked in the garage a couple of days it was easy to see that the left rear Wheel Cylinder was leaking. I've got 6 new WCs so thought it'd be easy enough to swap one out per day so as to not drain myself too bad and knocked that one out 1st. The old WC was a foreign job and had to have a reduction fitting between the line and the WC. The new ones are stamped USA and no reduction needed so was quick to swap in. Since the 1st one went so fast I went ahead and jumped onto the right rear but it still had full fluid pressure at it so I decided to just go with the one and see how well that worked.

Keith_J stopped by and helped me bleed the lines but, again, only needed at the left rear. I had both rear brake drums off at this point so we were really only looking at the shoe actuation and the fact that plenty of fluid was squirting (at good pressure) out of the bleeder.

That was all last Friday. Yesterday while I was reinstalling the drums I ran in to a bit of a problem with the right rear. The left rear wheel and drum were both off and the drum went on easy enough and then the wheel. On the right side I had just pulled the drum with the idea that I'd take the backing plate off, change the WC and then just reinstall everything. The problem came when trying to get the splines on the drum lined up with the splines on the axle shaft and not pushing the shaft back in the axle. There's a bolt in the center of the drum that screws into the center of the axle to keep everything connected. I spent about an hour trying to get splines lined up by using a longer bolt to hold the axle out while getting things to mesh. Try one spot, spin it a bit, try the next spot, spin it, try again. Just wouldn't go so I left it for today.

After trying the spin and spin again routine for a couple of trys I figured out one of the problems was the valve stem on the tire. I couldn't just spin it one spline as the ears on the drum would hang up on the stem so I was pulling it out past the stem and then spinning it. What I was doing was moving it 4 or 5 splines each time to clear. So, off came the wheel and back to spinning. This time it took about 3 tries to get it on.

The moral of the story, if there is one, don't waste time trying to save time. If I'd just pulled the wheel off to begin with everything would have been done in about 15 minutes yesterday instead of 1.5 hours between then and today.

For those saying I should just change all the WCs, well I now have 5 new spares and can likely rebuild the one I took off. If they're working fine I don't see the need to break into the system to fix what's working. As the Goat is still just being driven on and off a trailer and around areas at slow speed I'm not that concerned. All of the WCs were taken off and refurbed earlier (before I got the new ones) so I know they're in at least passable condition. When I get the new tires and decide I want to take it to the grocery store or out in traffic I might reconsider.

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Loaded up and ready to head out tomorrow morning for the 26th Annual Central Texas Airshow in Temple, TX. This is one of the best events our local MVPA chapter does every year. We'll have a large group of vehicles including the MKT that'll be cooking up breakfast Saturday and Sunday. Hope everybody local gets the chance to come out and say hello.

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I have a question about the photo on the left, where the Goat is on a trailer. That appears to be a car-hauler trailer. I am in dire need of a trailer to haul my Goat around. According to my tape measure, my Goat is too wide by about 4 inches to load onto a standard car-hauler. My tape measure says I need a trailer that will haul about 8000 lbs, no less than 8' wide, and about 18' long. (Oh yeah, I need a tongue pull as well.) Every standard car-hauler I've measured isn't wide enough to fit a Goat between the trailer fenders. (And the trailer fenders certainly aren't near strong enough for me to drive the one axle over, without crushing them!) When I go to trailer selling businesses, they all want to sell me a heavy equipment trailer, with a load rating of usually 20,000lbs!
How did you get the Goat onto a car-hauler?
 

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I have a question about the photo on the left, where the Goat is on a trailer. That appears to be a car-hauler trailer. I am in dire need of a trailer to haul my Goat around. According to my tape measure, my Goat is too wide by about 4 inches to load onto a standard car-hauler. My tape measure says I need a trailer that will haul about 8000 lbs, no less than 8' wide, and about 18' long. (Oh yeah, I need a tongue pull as well.) Every standard car-hauler I've measured isn't wide enough to fit a Goat between the trailer fenders. (And the trailer fenders certainly aren't near strong enough for me to drive the one axle over, without crushing them!) When I go to trailer selling businesses, they all want to sell me a heavy equipment trailer, with a load rating of usually 20,000lbs!
How did you get the Goat onto a car-hauler?
The trailer is 7' wide at the fenders. The Goat hubs stick out a little further but they're over the fenders so don't cause a problem. The tires do rub on both fenders but I'll live with that. The trailer is rated at 10,500lbs. With the curb weight of the Goat at 7200 I'm pushing the edge of the capacity but still within it. If I need to haul anything else I can throw it in the back of the pickup. I hauled this from NC to TX with zero problems pulling or stopping.

My old trailer had pipe railings that were even with the top of the fenders and wouldn't have worked as the hubs wouldn't clear until the front tires were up on the deck. Since this trailer doesn't have those it hasn't been a problem.
 
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