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ATF great idea, I will stick with my .10/gal WVO. 
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$1.00 Dollar a gallon, Recycled ATF from the local 10 minute oil change
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Sure makes me feel better. I'm going to check with the power companies next week to see if I can help them out!If it makes anyone feel any better Mineral oil is clear without any red dye. So if you mix it with diesel you are still green on any dip stick. Today we are collecting at the first site then Sunday the next. I have a job during the week so the only way for me to collect in the daylight is on the weekends. Pictures to follow.
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I remember , 20 years ago, talking to a man involverd with #2, and #4, and #6 heating oil recovery, and how they would not accept transformer oil. I guess it doesn't burn in commercial burners But in light of this post, I will seek oiut this type oil;. Thank U steel soldiers
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The big problem then - very slight now - was most of the power transformers had PCB oil. It was discovered that even flushing and refilling a PCB transformer several times did not clear it. When at temperature in service, PCB oil would seep from windings and laminations and in time, heavily contaminate the replacement oil.I remember , 20 years ago, talking to a man involverd with #2, and #4, and #6 heating oil recovery, and how they would not accept transformer oil. I guess it doesn't burn in commercial burners But in light of this post, I will seek oiut this type oil;. Thank U steel soldiers
I went to a transformer manufacturer seminar in which they explained PCB contaminated transformers could not be cleared. They had to be taken out of service and safely disposed.
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Tricks and Traps of Oil Reclamation
Ecological conservation and environmental concerns have become a much greater influence in production facilities around the world in recent years. Progressive action can also be found in the heart of major industrial operations such as steel mills, paper mills, sugar mills and process plants. Conservation, reclamation and recycling of used lube oil can be a profitable and ecologically sound activity.
The engineering or technical manager of a large plant is often so busy managing production and ensuring optimal production with minimal downtime, that little attention is paid to the total lubricant cycle in the plant. After all, the plant’s purchasing department looks for the lowest priced lube oil and the handling/storage department ensures that all drained lube oil is disposed of via a waste removal company.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Various local, state and federal authorities have set regulations for the handling and disposal of used lube oil. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has also issued its own used oil management standards, and state regulatory authorities are required to implement them.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lube oil reclamation regulations shouldn't’t force a company to implement change. There are a number of financial reasons, including selling used lube oil for recycling into fuel oil and base oil stocks or for certain charges of lube oil to be reclaimed in-plant.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Reclaiming oil accomplishes the following: [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Reclamation and recycling are two related processes, but there are significant differences.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Recycling As an Option The plant engineer does not have to be concerned with the details of the technology used by a recyclers, and is therefore not the focus of this article except to provide guidelines for its use in the plant. It is important to ensure that the recycled lubricants are handled and processed in an environmentally acceptable manner. Ask the removal company to show an independent environmental audit of its site and processes. Ensure the company is licensed to process used oil, and make regular visits to the site.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Reclamation[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Reclamation treats a charge of lube oil, preferably on-site, and returns the charge to the machine sump. An example of this is reclamation of transformer oil, hydraulic oil and turbine oil. Reclamation may take place off-site where the vendor of the reclamation service drains the existing charge and replaces it with previously reclaimed oil. Reclamation generally involves cleaning, drying and perhaps adsorption to remove color, acids and sludge. The reclaiming of a lube oil is essentially a non chemical process that restores in-service lube oil for reuse in a system.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Recycling[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Every lube oil charge eventually reaches the end of its life and has to be drained from the machine system, whether it is engine, gearbox, hydraulic system or turbine. Oil that is recycled could be rerefined to new base oil or treated and sold as fuel oil.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Focus on Reclamation[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hydraulic oils, transformer oils and to some extent turbine oils lend themselves to being reclaimed, but one must ensure that lubricant performance has not been downgraded after reclamation. Reclamation usually involves the lube oil being filtered and cleaned of debris, sludge and fine particles. Centrifuging also occurs to remove suspended particles and some water. Many transformer oil reclamation units dry the oil and achieve this by heating the oil and applying a vacuum to drive off moisture.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Transformer oils are frequently reclaimed through filtration. This may take the form of centrifuging, vacuum dehydration or absorption with fuller’s earth or another activated media. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When considering a reclamation service for transformer oil, check the following:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Great care must be exercised with turbine oil when carrying out the reclamation process. Centrifuging and filtration will remove particles and water, but the turbine oil must continue to perform its task of cooling, sealing, lubricating and corrosion prevention. Even though the application is critical, turbine oil sump volumes warrant the reclamation effort.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The key to turbine oil reclamation is evaluating its performance under specified test procedures. Turbine oil is reclaimed by a combination of filtration, sweetening with fresh oil and sweetening with additives. The combination results in the removal of fine particles, sludge and water, and regenerating the performance level.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When considering a reclamation service for turbine oil, check the following:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hydraulic oils are a complex mixture of carefully selected base oils and specific additives.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Top-tier hydraulic oils, often called antiwear (AW) hydraulic oils, must meet performance specifications set by original equipment manufacturers (OEMs), hydraulic pump makers and standards organizations such as Deutsches Institut für Normung (DIN) and American Society of Testing and Materials (ASTM).[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Plant engineers are increasingly interested in extending the lifetime of hydraulic fluid. As a result, suppliers and consultants are often asked ways to carry this out.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Because of their high-pressure operation, hydraulic oil tends to accumulate silt. This silt must be eliminated to avoid valve sticking and polishing wear. Hydraulic oil is reclaimed by a combination of filtration, vacuum dehydration and adsorption. The combination results in the removal of fine particles, sludge and water, and regenerating the performance level. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When considering a reclamation service for turbine oil, check the following:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Reclamation Team[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Managing used lube oil recycling or reclamation is often left to an individual or is completely neglected in a plant. It is useful to form a team to focus on the process if there is sufficient volume of used lubricating or process oil at the site to justify reclamation. A recycling and reclamation team may consist of a buyer, lubrication engineer, maintenance engineer, lube supplier representative, a reclamation company representative and an environmental officer. They work together to improve the recycling program. In doing so, they compile the information found in Table 1.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The manager of the plant will have to make a decision between reclamation and recycling for his used lubricants and process oils. Because lubricants have different processing requirements, some lubricants are not good candidates for reclamation. The waste oils should be broken into two categories, for either reclamation or recycling.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If it is not clear whether the used oil stream is a good candidate for reclamation, contact the reclamation company and ask whether the specific product, by product name, can be reclaimed.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Candidates for consideration may include:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Reuse of waste oil can include:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]While all lubricants eventually reach a condition where they can no longer be used and must be discarded as used lubricating oil, the plant engineer can examine the following options for minimizing the volume of used oil generated:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In-line oil sensors to ensure that oil life is extended and unnecessary oil changes do not occur.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If reclaimed, the lube oil may continue to serve its design function for many more operating hours. Rigorous testing and record-keeping are necessary for this approach. If the waste oil is a mixture of contaminants and spent oils, then the used lube oil can be reprocessed by a contracted recycler, keeping within local government regulations. Every business should keep track of the used oil it generates once it leaves the plant. Plants which generate large volumes of used oil should seek an independent report on the process practiced by their contracted recycler. [/FONT]
All transformers pictured use mineral oil.
Ecological conservation and environmental concerns have become a much greater influence in production facilities around the world in recent years. Progressive action can also be found in the heart of major industrial operations such as steel mills, paper mills, sugar mills and process plants. Conservation, reclamation and recycling of used lube oil can be a profitable and ecologically sound activity.
The engineering or technical manager of a large plant is often so busy managing production and ensuring optimal production with minimal downtime, that little attention is paid to the total lubricant cycle in the plant. After all, the plant’s purchasing department looks for the lowest priced lube oil and the handling/storage department ensures that all drained lube oil is disposed of via a waste removal company.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Various local, state and federal authorities have set regulations for the handling and disposal of used lube oil. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has also issued its own used oil management standards, and state regulatory authorities are required to implement them.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lube oil reclamation regulations shouldn't’t force a company to implement change. There are a number of financial reasons, including selling used lube oil for recycling into fuel oil and base oil stocks or for certain charges of lube oil to be reclaimed in-plant.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Reclaiming oil accomplishes the following: [/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Conserves a valuable resource.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Prevents contamination of the environment.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Saves money by reducing waste disposal costs.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Reduces long-term liability for disposed products - from beginning to end.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Reclamation and recycling are two related processes, but there are significant differences.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Recycling As an Option The plant engineer does not have to be concerned with the details of the technology used by a recyclers, and is therefore not the focus of this article except to provide guidelines for its use in the plant. It is important to ensure that the recycled lubricants are handled and processed in an environmentally acceptable manner. Ask the removal company to show an independent environmental audit of its site and processes. Ensure the company is licensed to process used oil, and make regular visits to the site.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Reclamation[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Reclamation treats a charge of lube oil, preferably on-site, and returns the charge to the machine sump. An example of this is reclamation of transformer oil, hydraulic oil and turbine oil. Reclamation may take place off-site where the vendor of the reclamation service drains the existing charge and replaces it with previously reclaimed oil. Reclamation generally involves cleaning, drying and perhaps adsorption to remove color, acids and sludge. The reclaiming of a lube oil is essentially a non chemical process that restores in-service lube oil for reuse in a system.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Recycling[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Every lube oil charge eventually reaches the end of its life and has to be drained from the machine system, whether it is engine, gearbox, hydraulic system or turbine. Oil that is recycled could be rerefined to new base oil or treated and sold as fuel oil.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Focus on Reclamation[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hydraulic oils, transformer oils and to some extent turbine oils lend themselves to being reclaimed, but one must ensure that lubricant performance has not been downgraded after reclamation. Reclamation usually involves the lube oil being filtered and cleaned of debris, sludge and fine particles. Centrifuging also occurs to remove suspended particles and some water. Many transformer oil reclamation units dry the oil and achieve this by heating the oil and applying a vacuum to drive off moisture.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Transformer oils are frequently reclaimed through filtration. This may take the form of centrifuging, vacuum dehydration or absorption with fuller’s earth or another activated media. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When considering a reclamation service for transformer oil, check the following:[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Service providers should offer references of successful reclamation of transformer oil at other companies. Ask to contact previous clients.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Decide on the performance target for the transformer oil in consultation with your lube supplier or an independent consultant.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Test your charge before and after reclamation to ensure compliance with your target.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ask for a certificate of analysis after reclamation.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The certificate should show breakdown voltage, moisture content, neutralization number and power factor. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Great care must be exercised with turbine oil when carrying out the reclamation process. Centrifuging and filtration will remove particles and water, but the turbine oil must continue to perform its task of cooling, sealing, lubricating and corrosion prevention. Even though the application is critical, turbine oil sump volumes warrant the reclamation effort.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The key to turbine oil reclamation is evaluating its performance under specified test procedures. Turbine oil is reclaimed by a combination of filtration, sweetening with fresh oil and sweetening with additives. The combination results in the removal of fine particles, sludge and water, and regenerating the performance level.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When considering a reclamation service for turbine oil, check the following:[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ensure lube supplier works closely with you on testing and recharge.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Obtain a test certificate on the performance of the new oil.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Test reclaimed oil prior to refill to ensure compliance with performance target.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Check compatibility. Ten to 15 percent of the old charge can remain in a turbine system.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Perform quality tests through an independent lab to verify beginning and ending oil condition and performance capability.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Verify oil performance after reclamation with bench tests such as Rotating Pressure Vessel Oxidation Test (RPVOT) (ASTM D2272), viscosity, AN, foam, demulsibility and color.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hydraulic oils are a complex mixture of carefully selected base oils and specific additives.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Top-tier hydraulic oils, often called antiwear (AW) hydraulic oils, must meet performance specifications set by original equipment manufacturers (OEMs), hydraulic pump makers and standards organizations such as Deutsches Institut für Normung (DIN) and American Society of Testing and Materials (ASTM).[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Plant engineers are increasingly interested in extending the lifetime of hydraulic fluid. As a result, suppliers and consultants are often asked ways to carry this out.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Because of their high-pressure operation, hydraulic oil tends to accumulate silt. This silt must be eliminated to avoid valve sticking and polishing wear. Hydraulic oil is reclaimed by a combination of filtration, vacuum dehydration and adsorption. The combination results in the removal of fine particles, sludge and water, and regenerating the performance level. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When considering a reclamation service for turbine oil, check the following:[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ensure reclamation vendor can show proof of previous success.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Obtain from the vendor a certificate of analysis at the end of the reclamation. Compare this to the condition of the oil before reclamation.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Be sure you understand the performance capability of the new oil and the performance requirements of the OEM. Test against those standards.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Perform quality tests through an independent lab to verify beginning and ending oil condition and performance characteristics.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Test certificates/records should be filed for the next oil change.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Reclamation Team[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Managing used lube oil recycling or reclamation is often left to an individual or is completely neglected in a plant. It is useful to form a team to focus on the process if there is sufficient volume of used lubricating or process oil at the site to justify reclamation. A recycling and reclamation team may consist of a buyer, lubrication engineer, maintenance engineer, lube supplier representative, a reclamation company representative and an environmental officer. They work together to improve the recycling program. In doing so, they compile the information found in Table 1.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The manager of the plant will have to make a decision between reclamation and recycling for his used lubricants and process oils. Because lubricants have different processing requirements, some lubricants are not good candidates for reclamation. The waste oils should be broken into two categories, for either reclamation or recycling.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If it is not clear whether the used oil stream is a good candidate for reclamation, contact the reclamation company and ask whether the specific product, by product name, can be reclaimed.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Candidates for consideration may include:[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Cutting fluids,[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hydraulic oils,[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Turbine oils,[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Transformer, [/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Spent lube oils,[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Engine oils and gear oils.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Reuse of waste oil can include:[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Burning without treatment - not advised.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Reprocessing to industrial fuel.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Re refining to new lube oil.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Disposal to landfill - avoid at all costs.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]While all lubricants eventually reach a condition where they can no longer be used and must be discarded as used lubricating oil, the plant engineer can examine the following options for minimizing the volume of used oil generated:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In-line oil sensors to ensure that oil life is extended and unnecessary oil changes do not occur.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Use of oil mist lubrication on industrial gear boxes and other equipment.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Choice of extended drain period diesel engine oils for fleets.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Selection of equipment with reduced oil sump sizes.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Improving the filtration of the lube oil charge and dosing with additives.[/FONT]
- [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Prevention of oil charge contamination.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If reclaimed, the lube oil may continue to serve its design function for many more operating hours. Rigorous testing and record-keeping are necessary for this approach. If the waste oil is a mixture of contaminants and spent oils, then the used lube oil can be reprocessed by a contracted recycler, keeping within local government regulations. Every business should keep track of the used oil it generates once it leaves the plant. Plants which generate large volumes of used oil should seek an independent report on the process practiced by their contracted recycler. [/FONT]
All transformers pictured use mineral oil.
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WOW! I may never have to pay for fuel again!
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Just don't get caught with it on the road. Check your tank, find out it is not the right color - big troubleWOW! I may never have to pay for fuel again!
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I just looked up the Michigan laws regarding home made diesel fuel.
In Michigan there is no law for private use. There are plenty of laws for fuel blenders for the people who SELL the fuel for profit, but if you collect oils and make your own fuel for private use there is no law on the books. I called Lansing and talked to Daryl Edwards and confirmed this and we got on a conference call with the head guy with the DOT. He said and I quote " Any commercial vehicle using any home made fuel must have a blenders license" "The License for 3 years costs $200.00" I spoke up and said my 4 trucks are privately owned and registered, not a business and the trucks are Retired Military Vehicles, he asked what trucks I was referring to and I said Deuce and a half's". They both said there has to be a sign painted or a sticker that says "NOT FOR HIRE".
As long as the truck says NOT FOR HIRE somewhere on both sides of the cab the truck is deemed Private and the homemade blenders law does not concern me. Now I am off to go make a stencil. I am also getting a letter from the DOT stating " This truck vin # ------- Is exempt from the fuel blenders law and is a privately owned truck. I was real impressed how accommodating the gobberment was on this issue.
Thats how the law is in Michigan and I was warned "There is no reciprocity on this law from State to State." "Every State has their own set of rules to follow"
Alternative Fuels Data Center: Michigan Incentives and Laws
In Michigan there is no law for private use. There are plenty of laws for fuel blenders for the people who SELL the fuel for profit, but if you collect oils and make your own fuel for private use there is no law on the books. I called Lansing and talked to Daryl Edwards and confirmed this and we got on a conference call with the head guy with the DOT. He said and I quote " Any commercial vehicle using any home made fuel must have a blenders license" "The License for 3 years costs $200.00" I spoke up and said my 4 trucks are privately owned and registered, not a business and the trucks are Retired Military Vehicles, he asked what trucks I was referring to and I said Deuce and a half's". They both said there has to be a sign painted or a sticker that says "NOT FOR HIRE".
As long as the truck says NOT FOR HIRE somewhere on both sides of the cab the truck is deemed Private and the homemade blenders law does not concern me. Now I am off to go make a stencil. I am also getting a letter from the DOT stating " This truck vin # ------- Is exempt from the fuel blenders law and is a privately owned truck. I was real impressed how accommodating the gobberment was on this issue.
Thats how the law is in Michigan and I was warned "There is no reciprocity on this law from State to State." "Every State has their own set of rules to follow"
Alternative Fuels Data Center: Michigan Incentives and Laws
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Don't trust the transformer oil. Most of it contains some sort of PCBs. Anything over 500 ppm is considered hazmat and requires special care by the EPA. Most facilities can only store up to 500 gallons.
My local reclamation facility has found up to 900,000 ppm. This oil needs to be burned in a EPA regulated "red" incinerator. Very nasty stuff. These guys go through 30,000 gallons of transformer oil a month.
After talking to them, I am no longer considering unfamiliar transformer oil as diesel fuel.
Indiana is very strict when it comes to transformer oils. The whole cancer mess started in Bloomington.
My local reclamation facility has found up to 900,000 ppm. This oil needs to be burned in a EPA regulated "red" incinerator. Very nasty stuff. These guys go through 30,000 gallons of transformer oil a month.
After talking to them, I am no longer considering unfamiliar transformer oil as diesel fuel.
Indiana is very strict when it comes to transformer oils. The whole cancer mess started in Bloomington.
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I hear ya Blind Driver, The sites I have already reclaimed myself have already been tested and they are not in use. The PCB's PPM count was virtually non existent. I thought I already posted that. I am still hot on ATF since there is a large supply to collect anyway.
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Most of my local transmission shops have waste oil furnaces
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We are allowed to use magnetic signs on trucks here. If you can in Mich- then you don't have to mess up truck. Put magnetic signs on when on public roads, take off for parades and off road use.However, in NJ, unlike Mich from what they tell me - if you drive on public road, you are supposed pay a fuel tax, no matter what you burn.
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o1951,
You already paid for the registration and the plate for your truck. The plate tab is the tax the State charges to drive on any public road..The fuel tax differs from State to State since each State has their own programs being paid by the extra tax charged per gallon of fuel.
You already paid for the registration and the plate for your truck. The plate tab is the tax the State charges to drive on any public road..The fuel tax differs from State to State since each State has their own programs being paid by the extra tax charged per gallon of fuel.
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my state dosent charge yearly for antique tags, you get the tag, it never expires. you only pay $15 a year tot he county for personal property tax. none of the money collected for any vehicle registration or personal property tax goes towards road maintenance in kansas.
fuel tax is higher in kansas and the roads show it, drive into missouri or oklahoma where the fuel tax is much lower and the road conditions definitely show lack of maintenance and improvements.
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I got 18 of those 55 gallon drums waiting for me to pick up on wednesday of the good stuff. Of course, with threads like these, you can't get to loud about where you're getting your fuel, or else somebody's going to try to wreck your gravy train. If anybody wants some good ideas on where to get waste petroleum products, PM me. It is true, though, the squeaky wheel gets the grease!
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Re: PCBs in transformer oil, I think the magic year is 1979. If the transformer's date of manufacture is after 1979 it should never have been exposed to PCBs. I wouldn't touch a transformer (or capacitor, or switch) of unknown or earlier manufacture date with a 50 foot pole. PCBs are nasty stuff and deserve the hairy eyeball the EPA gives them.
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I went to my local transformer decommissioning place a few months ago. They still get oils as high as 50 ppm of PCBs which they must keep in a EPA approved HAZMAT storage tank. EPA considers this extremely hazardous. They even get oils higher then that. Sometimes as much as 5000 ppm
I won't use transformer oil. It's not worth the cancer