Deuce Rough Terrain Limitations

[therealquaid]

About power steering, the only guys I know of supplying wheels with a negative offset that fits a PS kit on a Deuce is Boyce, and their wheels don’t have beadlocks. This limits airing down the tires to about 40psi vs 10~15psi with a beadlock wheel without power-steering (or at least with a smaller turning radius due to 395s rubbing on the pitman arm).

Unless you can weld and fab your own wheel it seems like for anyone looking into buying parts for these modifications you are limited to hydraulic assist power steering with a 40psi minimum tire pressure. For the terrain shown in the video this would be more than enough but then the truck would lose versatility on sand…
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@montaillou Thinking about availability of some of the mods people have mentioned in this thread, I’m curious if it would be possible to add a beadlock system to a rim like Boyce’s or if you know of anyone who might supply beadlocked rims for a deuce with less backspacing in order to have the wheels tracking wider for more clearance on 395s?

All suppliers I’ve seen suggested on older SS threads have since stopped offering these rims, limiting this feature to a 100% DIY job (which is preferrable if someone has the tools/know-how), but is not as accessible.

 

[montaillou]

For what it's worth, some super singles (Michelin) are designed to be used with inner tubes.

Also, though I never tried it with power steering, the M1076 wheel, which I used for 395's has a 0 offset and didn't rub when turning.

 

[therealquaid]

For what it's worth, some super singles (Michelin) are designed to be used with inner tubes.

Also, though I never tried it with power steering, the M1076 wheel, which I used for 395's has a 0 offset and didn't rub when turning.

I agree I’m actually looking for some M1076 wheels for mine! Haven’t had any luck yet.

However I know a guy that used the M1076 wheel on his with a waterloo power steering kit and it cleared the pitman arm but he said it created a rub on the exhaust so bad the truck was undriveable forcing him to reroute it. That part I did not understand what he meant honestly, shouldn’t pushing the wheels out make for more clearance rather than create rubbing on the exhaust?

 

[montaillou]

My wheels never came close to my exhaust. I sold my 10 wheel set about a year ago. I originally got them from Ft. Lewis. Look for govplanet military auctions. Mine came with Michelin XL's on them.

 

[kendelrio]

Found mine! (In all fairness there was an entire oak tree in front of me in the water and the back edge of the hole was verticle)

 

[G744]

I run tubes in 14.00-20's on 20-bolt 10" tubeless wheels with no trouble. Have for years, got tired of fighting leaks.

Those same wheels usually run a giant piece of rubber tubing inside, that holds the bead outward against the rim. I don't see why one couldn't use the same thing with a proper tube. It might be a good workout for strength training, too.

I use the rubber things as bottomless planters around the property...

 

[therealquaid]

I run tubes in 14.00-20's on 20-bolt 10" tubeless wheels with no trouble. Have for years, got tired of fighting leaks.

Those same wheels usually run a giant piece of rubber tubing inside, that holds the bead outward against the rim. I don't see why one couldn't use the same thing with a proper tube. It might be a good workout for strength training, too.

I use the rubber things as bottomless planters around the property...

I currently run tubes in my 395s as well. For terrain like that in the video of post #1 I believe they’re fine. But for some sand in the desert having a beadlock to air way down would be nice.

 

[therealquaid]

My wheels never came close to my exhaust. I sold my 10 wheel set about a year ago. I originally got them from Ft. Lewis. Look for govplanet military auctions. Mine came with Michelin XL's on them.

Thanks for the advice! Do the m1076 wheels fit on a deuce using the adapter plate for the HEMTTs?

 

[G744]

I've run my M54A1 all around the Yuma dunes with soft 14.00s and never had one pop open.

It's not so much about PSI as how much flexion you see.

'Course a 5-ton is a might heavier than a deuce...

 

[cattlerepairman]

Found mine! (In all fairness there was an entire oak tree in front of me in the water and the back edge of the hole was verticle)

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Great pic! I learned that I want to hook the winch cable up high before I explore water holes. That way I can step out of the cab onto the fender, grab the hook, chain and cable and toss it to the friendly person on dry land.

Turns out, winching is more fun when it does not start with me being shoulder deep in a mud hole!

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[G744]

Wait till you discover an old, burned out, rusty bedspring buried just beneath the surface.

The discovery was I'd driven right over it, and it caught on a grease Zerk on the rear driveshaft, and rolled up just perfectly around said shaft, locking my M37 in place.

All I had to remove it was a crappy pair of Globemaster (remember them) pliers, and being smack on top of an angry red anthill made it even more enjoyable...

When I got home, it looked like I'd caught the Measles.

 

[montaillou]

adapter plate

I used a 1/2" 10 to 6 adapter plate that I found on evil bay. The 10 bolt pattern was 10x335mm, the same pattern also used by MRAP's I believe.

 

[porkysplace]

Found mine! (In all fairness there was an entire oak tree in front of me in the water and the back edge of the hole was verticle)

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Well that should give you a day or two of servicing .

 

[therealquaid]

I've run my M54A1 all around the Yuma dunes with soft 14.00s and never had one pop open.

It's not so much about PSI as how much flexion you see.

'Course a 5-ton is a might heavier than a deuce...

When it comes to that amount of flexion are we talking half full tires or very low tires like the kind that needs a beadlock?

 

[montaillou]

on top of an angry red anthill

Got this for such occasions. Fits between the tires and rolls out almost the entire length. A luxury maybe, but I've had to crawl under in the mud before too.

 

[therealquaid]

I used a 1/2" 10 to 6 adapter plate that I found on evil bay. The 10 bolt pattern was 10x335mm, the same pattern also used by MRAP's I believe.

Are these the same m1076 wheels?

20×10 TRLR wheel army trailer | Military Tires

TRLR wheel assembly, MFR:20076, 20×10, max load:9000 lb., PN:05-15393-00-450, Tubeless, DOT “T” max pressure 87 psi Positive Offset Back spacing 6 1/4″ Mounting hole 1″

militarytires.ca

 

[montaillou]

Are these the same m1076 wheels?

They look similar. Here's the brochure on the M1076.

 

[therealquaid]

They look similar. Here's the brochure on the M1076.

Thanks! I checked it out and also searched the TM for the m1076 but didn’t find specs on the rims. Ultimately the one on the link I sent has enough backspacing like the PLS rims, so I believe it would just come down to if the lug pattern and mounting hole size would work with an MRAP adapter plate for the deuce

The seller put in 10x 285.75mm for the bolt pattern yet said it was the same as the MRAP. Seems like about a 2” difference from the 335mm on the plates you used.

 

[therealquaid]

Dave has a rim that seems to have the same backspacing as a m1076 listed as a “HEMAT Trailer rim”

HEMAT Trailer Rim

HEMAT Trailer Rim

www.easternsurplus.net

and could possibly be beadlocked with this?

Bead Locker 20" x 8" Beadlock Tire Application Bead Lock

Bead Locker 20" x 8" Beadlock Tire Application Bead Lock

www.easternsurplus.net

 

[montaillou]

The seller put in 10x 285.75mm for the bolt pattern yet said it was the same as the MRAP.

A web search comes up with 10x335, and looking at Oshkosh's web page, MRAP Wheel / Rim - Oshkosh Equipment , they also list it as 10x335.

If beadlock is important, you might consider this: MRAP 20' ALUMINUM RIM | WESTERN CANADIAN ROCKWELL INC

WCR has sold adapter plates in the past. I've never bought from them, so I can't say anything about dealing with them.