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in indiana cdl law is 26001 lbs or above or full air brakes
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OP talked to his LE.How did a bumper height question turn into a lot of states require a CDL to drive a deuce? I have never heard anyone say a deuce needed a CDL except in CA and even that is open to some debate.
There is a difference in GVW and GVWR, in ND anything over 26000 GVWR which a duece is, requires a CDL.A deuce is under 26000 pounds. This is the first time I have ever heard of any state using frame to floor height to classify a vehicle as commercial or not. Is this a new law? Also just being classified as commercial vehicle doesn't automatically mean you need a CDL. You have to be over 26000, hauling hazardous material or more than 15 passengers according to federal standards which most states follow.
I got the same Data plate but ND doesn't read it the same way. They add their own figure to the curb and load. Mine is registered at 27300.Mine has a GVWR or 23030. Where are you getting your figures from?
I suspect there are other issues elsewhere but most people just play dumb. And really I've never been pulled over, I'm illegal as sin atm.It doesn't have a weight on it. You have the only deuce I have ever heard of that is registered at over 26000.
This thread is really interesting. I used to think that CA was the only one that required a CDL and even that has been debated to death in other threads. Now I learn that ND can make up any GVWR they want and make you have one and IL makes you have one because it is too tall. I am surprised that more people aren't commenting on this news.
I agree, by a similar nature, I already mentioned in CA pickups require Commercial plates, but not a Class A. There is a difference between vehicle registration and drivers licensing. I think this thread has done a poor job of distinguishing between the two.I would be willing the bet that the "requirement" is based on the bumper height. In other words, a commercial vehicle can have a taller bumper than a none commercial. If this is the case then the obvious way around this is to build the bumper up so it complies with the bumper height restriction. This does not mean the deuce requires a cdl. It means the non commercial trucks must have a lower bumper.
According to the secretary of state police, if you drive a deuce in IL you are subject to arrest. If I had been told that I would be more than a little worried. I hope there was a miscommunication when he spoke with the secretary of state police. A deuce does not have a GVWR over 26000 or any of usual things that would require a class A CDL. We have discussed this many times here. If some bureaucrat decides otherwise, it is time to contact the MVPA and challenge him. The only thing it does have is the bumper height.Well, I talked with the Secretary of State Police in length today. Long story short, in IL a stock deuce IS illegal to drive IF you do not have a CDL, AND the truck does not have commercial tags with an annual inspection (section 18b). The only other option is if it is owned and driven the military. No other way around it. AND violation of this is a class C misdemeanor in which the driver is subject to arrest, fines, and the vehicle would be impounded! So I guess even putting larger tires make you an even bigger target. Any lawyers on here?
Its not just about weight. In IL., the only vehicles permitted to have a frame to floor that exceeds 28" , and/or a front bumper greater that eceeds 28" / 30" rear is to register it as a commercial vehicle which then requires a commercial license. Then the semi annual inspections come along with it. A stock deuce exceeds all of these limits.
Mine has 27052 on the tags....A deuce does not have a GVWR over 26000 or any of usual things that would require a class A CDL. We have discussed this many times here. If some bureaucrat decides otherwise, it is time to contact the MVPA and challenge him.
No its a M35 the state is uping the GVW for some reason.it must be a miss print or a 5 ton
I agree and now that I am looking into it further it appears the sate mucked up. I'll have to send my tags in for adjustment. I'm thinking the state adds to the registration to get more funds.the gvw is stated buy the mfg not the state
and m35 with 14000 on it is way overloaded
but what do i know im a retired tow truck driver
*Called and looked into this. ND DMV doubles the shipping weight for its registration, as a standard practice. However the HP doesn't use the vehicle registration as the determining factor for CDL. CDL is based on GVW which for me is 23526. The HP says I have the right to register the vehicle for any weight above the vehicle curb weight. So looks like I'm good.I agree and now that I am looking into it further it appears the sate mucked up. I'll have to send my tags in for adjustment. I'm thinking the state adds to the registration to get more funds.
I just found that according to state law Motorcycle registration is $15 flat, mines $28...by raising the M35's registration the state gets another $19...
I wasn't saying that he was free and clear unless he got pulled over for something else, I was just commenting on what I have seen in my area. Several lifted trucks driving around way over the legal height limit that I had been told by a Illinois State Police officer.Not all body laws are under the realm of non moving violations. Some infractions are guilty without prior infraction. Meaning they can pull you over for it. Most states vehicle dimensions are allowed to be pulled over directly. Usually due to head lamp or tail light heights. Because they ignore lifted trucks doesn't mean your free and clear.
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