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Ok I need some help on this one, I have the adapter plate dish in but my wheel is rubbing big time on both sides, check out the pictures.
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M35a2 Super Singles Difference & Installation
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It's best to flip them around and have dish out or air them up before installation if you want dish in. I'm pretty sure you'll have to flip the hubs if you run dish out so the rears are in line with the front unless you don't care about that. All of mine are dish out and while it may not look as nice on the rear that way, the valve stem is 100% accessible. As far as the front rubbing, I think it's either different lug studs that push the wheel a little further out or there's a spacer used, I didn't install mine, but perhaps @Godspeed131 can chime in, my truck was his truck and the tire installation is spot on with plenty of clearance on the front.
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You'll want to flip the hubs and run the super singles dish-out. Your rear axle bearings will thank you if you carry any meaningful loads in the back.
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I’m not the most knowledgeable on the different wheels available and there are other people on this site that would put me to shame but I’m not sure what those wheel are, maybe buffalo wheels, but the wheels that you are using appear to have too much of a positive offset that wont work on the deuce as is and that’s why its rubbing. The ones I used are different, with a more negative offset and were another type of hutchinson. Ill post a pic of the wheels I used on @ToddJK ’s truck.
On the topic you asked about the valve stems and lug nuts, with the flipped hubs that brings the load on the bearings in alignment and that puts the face of the wheel with the valve stem out so airing up wont be a issue. the lug nuts how you have them will be ok, but it is a lot better to grab 24 of the same lug nuts that the front uses and that will replace the two piece bud lug nuts used on the back and will simplify everything.
On the topic you asked about the valve stems and lug nuts, with the flipped hubs that brings the load on the bearings in alignment and that puts the face of the wheel with the valve stem out so airing up wont be a issue. the lug nuts how you have them will be ok, but it is a lot better to grab 24 of the same lug nuts that the front uses and that will replace the two piece bud lug nuts used on the back and will simplify everything.
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I was going to write a new thread about this but I figure this would be a great place, I've been running the super singles on the M35a2 for a bit and here's the difference for me (Pros and cons)
Better cruise speed 55-58Mph at 2200-2300 Rpm, much safer than the 45-48Mph on a 70Mph freeway that I use to do
Slower acceleration big time, this is one of the things I miss the most about the smaller 9R20, after I turned the fuel up a little, the truck seemed very sporty and zippy while still staying around 900 Degrees on the EGT gauge, with the 395s, the truck is very slow on acceleration in comparison (Take note, what's zippy and fast to me is most likely slow to you, I daily a humvee)
Grip, the 395s are far better off the payment and in wet weather, I never had any issues with the NDTs on wet pavement because I'm cautious with them in wet weather, in the mud and off pavement, it's not even a comparison, the 395s are a lot better.
Climbing inclines, thankfully I'm in flat Louisiana, but I do go over the I-10 and 210 bridge which is a little bit of a steep incline, the NDTs goes over the bridge with no problem whatsoever and still maintain 45-48 while staying at 900 on the EGT gauge, I cruise with the super singles at 55-58 and it will drop down 45-48 while climbing, the EGTs will be around 1,100-1,200 at that speed. I typically don't like passing 1,000 on the EGT gauge that much.
Turn radius, this depends a lot on what wheels you're running, I'm running the MRAP wheels with the 10.9In backspacing and my right turn is cut short by a lot due to the tire rubbing the steering box, I have the waterloo power steering kit installed, unfortunately you'll get this with almost any power steering box that has to go outside the frame. This can simply be avoided by going with a wheel with a better offset, but your tire will stick out the fender a little, and of course these bigger tires will put more stress on your wheel bearings, transmission, steering, and suspension components etc.
I get about 2MPG more on the 395s in the city, highway is the same but with both of the tires I only cruise at 2200 RPMs mostly
Braking, the brakes are not as bad as I thought they'll be with the 395s but its obviously a lot better with the NDTs, the one thing I did notice is if you have to hard brake, the NDTs will slide in a weird a way, whereas the 395s wouldn't, they'll just stop straight, while the NDTs kind of get this pull to one side slide.
Carrying weight, I really can't speak that much on this since the weight I carry is usually around 2,000-3,000Ibs which is not even noticeable while driving the m35, I would say this, the smaller tires does give you a lower height which makes loading and unloading easier.
Emergency, this is one of those things I'm just throwing out, if you get a blowout while being 100 miles from home, you're basically screwed with the 395s unless you carry a spare in the bed. Also, you'll be on one hell of a ride if you blow one of those steer tires.
Ride Quality, the 395s are a lot smoother and quiet, I notice with the NDTs any crack in the road or pothole would try to jerk the steering wheel a bit, while the 395s just run over them small cracks and potholes like nothing. I will add that the smaller tires are easy to get balanced in comparison to the 395s, surprisingly the previous owner had the wheel and tire balanced where truck would shake at any speed, with the 395s I do get a little bit of shake at 50-58 sometimes but the antifreeze in the tire trick does pretty good.
In my personal opinion, I'm kind of mixed on what tire I prefer, I feel like the truck was a lot more fun to drive around with the small NDTs because of the acceleration and the right turn radius, also having a spare that I can easily pick up and change was nice too. I would also say I feel like I wasn't stressing the steering, multifuel, and spicer out that much with them. The 395s feels like it's just too much for the multifuel. Now the grip, cruise speed, and ride quality are almost unbeatable with the 395s. I would say this though, if I had a better overdrive transmission that let me do 55-60 Mph at 2,000-2,200 RPMs, I would most likely look for a better tire and wheel that's similar to the 9R20 in size or go with the 11R20s
Better cruise speed 55-58Mph at 2200-2300 Rpm, much safer than the 45-48Mph on a 70Mph freeway that I use to do
Slower acceleration big time, this is one of the things I miss the most about the smaller 9R20, after I turned the fuel up a little, the truck seemed very sporty and zippy while still staying around 900 Degrees on the EGT gauge, with the 395s, the truck is very slow on acceleration in comparison (Take note, what's zippy and fast to me is most likely slow to you, I daily a humvee)
Grip, the 395s are far better off the payment and in wet weather, I never had any issues with the NDTs on wet pavement because I'm cautious with them in wet weather, in the mud and off pavement, it's not even a comparison, the 395s are a lot better.
Climbing inclines, thankfully I'm in flat Louisiana, but I do go over the I-10 and 210 bridge which is a little bit of a steep incline, the NDTs goes over the bridge with no problem whatsoever and still maintain 45-48 while staying at 900 on the EGT gauge, I cruise with the super singles at 55-58 and it will drop down 45-48 while climbing, the EGTs will be around 1,100-1,200 at that speed. I typically don't like passing 1,000 on the EGT gauge that much.
Turn radius, this depends a lot on what wheels you're running, I'm running the MRAP wheels with the 10.9In backspacing and my right turn is cut short by a lot due to the tire rubbing the steering box, I have the waterloo power steering kit installed, unfortunately you'll get this with almost any power steering box that has to go outside the frame. This can simply be avoided by going with a wheel with a better offset, but your tire will stick out the fender a little, and of course these bigger tires will put more stress on your wheel bearings, transmission, steering, and suspension components etc.
I get about 2MPG more on the 395s in the city, highway is the same but with both of the tires I only cruise at 2200 RPMs mostly
Braking, the brakes are not as bad as I thought they'll be with the 395s but its obviously a lot better with the NDTs, the one thing I did notice is if you have to hard brake, the NDTs will slide in a weird a way, whereas the 395s wouldn't, they'll just stop straight, while the NDTs kind of get this pull to one side slide.
Carrying weight, I really can't speak that much on this since the weight I carry is usually around 2,000-3,000Ibs which is not even noticeable while driving the m35, I would say this, the smaller tires does give you a lower height which makes loading and unloading easier.
Emergency, this is one of those things I'm just throwing out, if you get a blowout while being 100 miles from home, you're basically screwed with the 395s unless you carry a spare in the bed. Also, you'll be on one hell of a ride if you blow one of those steer tires.
Ride Quality, the 395s are a lot smoother and quiet, I notice with the NDTs any crack in the road or pothole would try to jerk the steering wheel a bit, while the 395s just run over them small cracks and potholes like nothing. I will add that the smaller tires are easy to get balanced in comparison to the 395s, surprisingly the previous owner had the wheel and tire balanced where truck would shake at any speed, with the 395s I do get a little bit of shake at 50-58 sometimes but the antifreeze in the tire trick does pretty good.
In my personal opinion, I'm kind of mixed on what tire I prefer, I feel like the truck was a lot more fun to drive around with the small NDTs because of the acceleration and the right turn radius, also having a spare that I can easily pick up and change was nice too. I would also say I feel like I wasn't stressing the steering, multifuel, and spicer out that much with them. The 395s feels like it's just too much for the multifuel. Now the grip, cruise speed, and ride quality are almost unbeatable with the 395s. I would say this though, if I had a better overdrive transmission that let me do 55-60 Mph at 2,000-2,200 RPMs, I would most likely look for a better tire and wheel that's similar to the 9R20 in size or go with the 11R20s
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11.00-20's are the way to go on a G742 truck, as they made single wheels for the M34 Reo and M135 GMC that track right.
Easy enuf to find. Flip those hubs & go!
Easy enuf to find. Flip those hubs & go!
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How about the 12.00R20? Does it help that it's narrower than a 365 or 395 but as tall as a 365? 43" diameter.
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Stock deuce wheels are listed for use with up to 12.00 tires.
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Yep! But what about how they make the truck handle compared to the stock tires, besides higher speed? Would one notice some of the same effects @Hummer Guy mentioned?
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wont 12:00 rub when using them as duals? ( rear)
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Rub where, the tread between the tandem axles? I have 395s on my truck and they don't rub their tread against each other. 395s are 46" tires. I think 12.00R20s are 43 or 44 inches.
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will the 2 tires rub each other when using them as duals or is 11:00 as wide as I can get away with?
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My concern is that they could rub the bolt head on the trunion cap.
Elsewhere, not so much.
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I like the looks of the 12:00's xml's all the 11:00's I see look like street tires ( I want aggressive for looks and purpose)
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I ran a tandem axle 5th wheel dolly with duals on stock 5-ton wheels to pull a big water tanker (5K gal) with my M54A1. Plenty of space between the tires, and everything else.
I've seen 12.00's on a M35 with duals on stock wheels, hauling water, of all things. Didn't seem to have any rubbing problems, but where it ever went was around the dirt roads at a dump. Not much 50 MPH action there...
I've seen 12.00's on a M35 with duals on stock wheels, hauling water, of all things. Didn't seem to have any rubbing problems, but where it ever went was around the dirt roads at a dump. Not much 50 MPH action there...
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Alright guys, I think I will be going back to the NDTs next week. I'll just wire my radio and A/C back up, its not so bad going 45-47 when you're somewhat comfortable
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Been back using the 9.00R20, I'm not going to lie, I prefer the truck so much with the stock tires. The brakes are so much better, turning is so much better, acceleration is much better, and the truck seems much happier (A lot less black smoke when hammering it and the transmission seems easy to shift at all times)
As much as I like the grip and speed of the 395s, I much prefer the smaller tires.
As much as I like the grip and speed of the 395s, I much prefer the smaller tires.
I can relate to that. We built out an M109 and put 395s on it. It would stay on top of any terrain we went through, super soft sand, mud, but it was harsh in really rocky terrain where a rock only contacting part of the tire would try taking the steering wheel out of your hands and monuvering was often a challenge. It did climbs much slower as well.
When I did tire upgrades to the lil Draggin I went w/ the 11-20s and have been very happy w/ them.
The stock 9-20s just didn't last long or handle well in the desert terrain.
When I did tire upgrades to the lil Draggin I went w/ the 11-20s and have been very happy w/ them.
The stock 9-20s just didn't last long or handle well in the desert terrain.
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Lowtech were the 11:00's like NDT ( like the org 9:00's?) or xml's I'd like to see some single and dual wheel pictures if people would post. I've been saving my change a long time and its about time to get the tires . either 11:00 dueals ( I like the looks of the xml"s or im going 395"s. Thanks
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I'll go with the 11:00 duals