New Potential Owners - Generator Model Numbers ARE Important!

[98G]

I Just bought what is suppose to be an 803a from Gov.Planet and need to pick it up 750 miles awway, I must have missed one picture and that was of the ID plate. It says that its a 400hz machine which is strange, also when you look at the pictures of the Generator it is a 60hz and the gauges are 60hz. I hoping i did not buy a boat anchor with 6 hrs. I have been very careful about not falling into buying a 400hz unit but a little concerned about what i really have. any thoughts would be helpful.

Picture 8 shows a 400hz data plate. Picture 25 shows a 60hz generator head.

Presuming the pics are of the same machine, the wrong data plate was stuck on it. That's my best guess as to what it is.

Unfortunately you won't really know what you have until you go get it.

 

[FarmingSmallKubota]

Picture 8 shows a 400hz data plate. Picture 25 shows a 60hz generator head.

Presuming the pics are of the same machine, the wrong data plate was stuck on it. That's my best guess as to what it is.

Unfortunately you won't really know what you have until you go get it.

My thoughts were a Data plate as well because of the Generator Head and Gauges reading 60hz and it being confirmed when called Gov.planet that it is in deed a 60hz unit, but I guess auctions are always a gamble

 

[Light in the Dark]

That data plate is wrong from the factory... you got lucky on this one. The genhead is shown as 60hz, all gauges the same, and the front of the machine has a convenience outlet (the 400hz machines do not).

Data plate mixups are rare, but are documented.

 

[Scoobyshep]

item number 4219005

The nameplate on the head is 60 hz (pic 25)

 

[DieselAddict]

Yep, Lucky. If all the photos are correct its a 60hz machine.

 

[m32825]

Yep, Lucky. If all the photos are correct its a 60hz machine.

When I picked up my unit I found that the item description contained pictures from another unit that was in better shape.

 

[loosegravel]

I understand that the 400hz models can be used for resistive type loads such as heaters and incandescent lights, providing of course there are no inductive type loads in the circuits such as electric motors. Is this a true statement?

 

[Scoobyshep]

I understand that the 400hz models can be used for resistive type loads such as heaters and incandescent lights, providing of course there are no inductive type loads in the circuits such as electric motors. Is this a true statement?

Generally yes that is correct. Anything with a motor cant be used. Some things that use line frequency for a clock signal will also not work correctly.

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[loosegravel]

Generally yes that is correct. Anything with a motor cant be used. Some things that use line frequency for a clock signal will also not work correctly.

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Thank you!

 

[Scoobyshep]

Thank you!

Youre welcome.

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[jmenende]

Saw a guy on ebay the other day selling one of the new mep 1040 for 5 grand. Vague description and the plate foto could hardly be read (on purpose i suspect). I knew it was a 400hz unit and pm the guy to be honest and list those specs. Crickets.

 

[DieselAddict]

Saw a guy on ebay the other day selling one of the new mep 1040 for 5 grand. Vague description and the plate foto could hardly be read (on purpose i suspect). I knew it was a 400hz unit and pm the guy to be honest and list those specs. Crickets.

I just checked and he has two listings. Both look the same.

 

[jmenende]

I just checked and he has two listings. Both look the same.

Looks like the same unit at different prices. Both units are described as having 116 hours and uses the same pics. This time i can clearly zoom in the plate and shows 400hz. Im pretty sure he only really has 1 unit. If he parts it out, he can make more money over time since parts are scarce for these units right now.

 

[Triple Jim]

Welllllllllllllllllllllllllll, you could use it for resistive loads. Lights, heaters and that sort of thing. And you would be surprised at how much 400 hertz stuff is used in our world.

Also any electrical/electronic equipment that has a power supply that first converts AC to DC (like most do) should be OK on 400 Hz. I'm not guaranteeing this of course.

 

[Guyfang]

That data plate is wrong from the factory... you got lucky on this one. The genhead is shown as 60hz, all gauges the same, and the front of the machine has a convenience outlet (the 400hz machines do not).

Data plate mixups are rare, but are documented.

This can NEVER happen. No piece of military equipment can even last longer then two nano seconds with a wrong data plate. Every single piece of military equipment gets inventoried at LEAST once a year, sometimes more, The very first inventory that gen set went through, would have revealed the "problem" and it would have been fixed faster then a New York minute. Especially a 400 hertz gen set. They are a rare bear.

The Only time I ever saw a Data plate "Mix up" was when someone lost a data plate, and made a new one. And you can ALWAYS tell if a data plate is new, or its a substitute. No. Maybe the pictures got mixed up by the folks takeing the pictures for the sale. But

 

[98G]

This can NEVER happen. No piece of military equipment can even last longer then two nano seconds with a wrong data plate. Every single piece of military equipment gets inventoried at LEAST once a year, sometimes more, The very first inventory that gen set went through, would have revealed the "problem" and it would have been fixed faster then a New York minute. Especially a 400 hertz gen set. They are a rare bear.

The Only time I ever saw a Data plate "Mix up" was when someone lost a data plate, and made a new one. And you can ALWAYS tell if a data plate is new, or its a substitute. No. Maybe the pictures got mixed up by the folks takeing the pictures for the sale. But

I'm guessing it's a reset machine and the data plate f/u happened at reset and the machine wasn't issued.

 

[Light in the Dark]

This can NEVER happen. No piece of military equipment can even last longer then two nano seconds with a wrong data plate. Every single piece of military equipment gets inventoried at LEAST once a year, sometimes more, The very first inventory that gen set went through, would have revealed the "problem" and it would have been fixed faster then a New York minute. Especially a 400 hertz gen set. They are a rare bear.

The Only time I ever saw a Data plate "Mix up" was when someone lost a data plate, and made a new one. And you can ALWAYS tell if a data plate is new, or its a substitute. No. Maybe the pictures got mixed up by the folks takeing the pictures for the sale. But

The data plate with the NSN was correct, it was the data plate for the fuel/altitude ratings. Here is the listing for this chap: https://www.govplanet.com/for-sale/Generator-Sets-Fermont-MEP-803A-10kW-Gen-Set-Georgia/4219005

 

[Guyfang]

The dead give away is the 120 volt outlet. The 400 hertz model has no 120 volt outlet.

 

[FarmingSmallKubota]

The dead give away is the 120 volt outlet. The 400 hertz model has no 120 volt outlet.

Just got back from the 1600 miles trip to pick up the unit. Indeed the bottom data plate is wrong from the factory. The one above is the correct 60hz plate. The unit is not a reset unit. built 2/2012 never put into service. All of the factory paperwork including service manual are sealed in package. aux fuel line and grounding kit are on the unit. Got home last night and looked for a few minutes this morning only issue i see is the radiator cap gasket stuck to the filler neck and will need replaced. Batteries still were taped off of the machine so hopefully these batteries will take a charge. Thank you for all the replies

 

[Light in the Dark]

You will probably find the batteries are crap, even though never used. Look forward to updates when you do get it fired, or if you need any assistance.