Opinions Michelin XZL 365/85r20

[rongaudier]

A little smaller than the 395s I'd think easier to install. According to Michelin limited to 55mph vs 70mph for the 395.
Any opinions?

 

[welldigger]

The 365's are the metric equivalent of the 14.5x20's found on the a3's. If you are using 2 piece bolt together wheels I don't believe there is really any difference in mounting other than maybe weight. Me and a friend mounted some 14.00x20's on a3 wheels and it was no big deal. So the 395's I'm about to mount will be a breeze. 365's tend to be more expensive than 395's due to the limited number used by the military. Plus I like the speed and ground clearance boost of the 395's.

 

[rongaudier]

The 365's are the metric equivalent of the 14.5x20's found on the a3's. If you are using 2 piece bolt together wheels I don't believe there is really any difference in mounting other than maybe weight. Me and a friend mounted some 14.00x20's on a3 wheels and it was no big deal. So the 395's I'm about to mount will be a breeze. 365's tend to be more expensive than 395's due to the limited number used by the military. Plus I like the speed and ground clearance boost of the 395's.

Now since the 395's fit on stock wheels, I'm assuming the 365's should go on even easier since they are narrower? Anyone try this yet?

 

[GFB]

For the money those have gone for....I'll wait for a bunch of 395s to hit the auction again.

 

[welldigger]

For the money those have gone for....I'll wait for a bunch of 395s to hit the auction again.

No kidding. There's a reason every tire dealer that sells the 365's says call for price and availability.

 

[gringeltaube]

The 365's are the metric equivalent of the 14.5x20's found on the a3's.....

If we are talking about 365/85R20 that is not quite correct... the 365/80R20's are.
The /85 vs. /80 makes for almost two inches more diameter. The Michelin 365/85R20 XZL is about 45" O.D.


G.

 

[welldigger]

Interesting G. I didn't realize they had 2 different aspect ratios in the 365 width. Not surprising really. As always your knowledge impresses me.

 

[InfiniteFoamies]

Are there tires with an OD of no greater than 33"? Sorry for hijacking.

 

[GFB]

That would be a 6.5" sidewall. Are you building a hooptie lowrider deuce?

 

[InfiniteFoamies]

No but that is the limit for the beaches where I live unfortunately

 

[JOateyNV]

This may help. Tire sizes.

 

[jeremymx26]

There seems to be lots of six tires coming up for auction on GL. Would they fit on a duece without any mods or rubbing? And I'm guessing you would have to run singles.

 

[GFB]

There seems to be lots of six tires coming up for auction on GL. Would they fit on a duece without any mods or rubbing? And I'm guessing you would have to run singles.

Yes and yes

 

[JOateyNV]

?

 

[tobyS]

Welldigger, you should ask Gringeltaube about rim differences. I was asking a similar question, about tires with (nearly) the same diameter as my 11.00R20 and find that while the tires are about the same OD, they do not mount on the same rims as the 14.00R20. There appears to be 2 mm of diameter difference in the rim diameter of the industrial and metric rims. Thus I do not believe you will just mount 365 or 395 on the A3 rim and have a proper fit.

...but I'm no authority, just trying to prevent both of us a lot of work for bad results. What I still question is if the 14.5 requires the same rim as the metric 365?

My purpose is to have a more "flotation" front tire while keeping the dual 11.00 rears. Which I still have not solved, re the rim/tire combination for putting an equal diameter tire on the 925 with 11.00R20 (without machining a deuce rim for ten bolt pattern). Going to 22.5 is one option a member used, but I'd hoped to stay with military 20". My $02.

 

[JOateyNV]

Welldigger, you should ask Gringeltaube about rim differences. I was asking a similar question, about tires with (nearly) the same diameter as my 11.00R20 and find that while the tires are about the same OD, they do not mount on the same rims as the 14.00R20. There appears to be 2 mm of diameter difference in the rim diameter of the industrial and metric rims. Thus I do not believe you will just mount 365 or 395 on the A3 rim and have a proper fit.

...but I'm no authority, just trying to prevent both of us a lot of work for bad results. What I still question is if the 14.5 requires the same rim as the metric 365?

My purpose is to have a more "flotation" front tire while keeping the dual 11.00 rears. Which I still have not solved, re the rim/tire combination for putting an equal diameter tire on the 925 with 11.00R20 (without machining a deuce rim for ten bolt pattern). Going to 22.5 is one option a member used, but I'd hoped to stay with military 20". My $02.

TobyS, if you are looking to go with 11.00r20 dueled in the back an 14.5R20 is the same height mount on a A3 rim and you are good to go. (I happen to have that tire for sale, only 1)

 

[Sephirothq]

I have one 365 / 85/ 20 that I would sell for a good price that is in good condition in central Pa.

 

[tobyS]

I went through this question on another thread and while I was confused a bit by the difference in the metric vs. industrial, I came to believe there is a difference, based upon Gringeltaube's info. I'm sorry for not being proficient enough to bring that info to this thread but will make a copy-paste attempt with a chart that has both of the rim diameters for comparison.

And here is the advise from Gringeltaube; (copy/paste)

"Yes they are the same O.D.. But in order to run 14.5's (or their metric equivalent size 365/80R20) you will need M35A3 wheels and have them recentered.

14.5R20 /A3 wheels are the European MPT style. DO NOT MOUNT AND RUN MPT-tires on stock M939A1 /A2 wheels: bead flanges are different and not compatible!!"


Please note that the 365/80 and the 365/85 are about 2" different and the rev/mile is much different so while the 365/80 will be within one r/mi, the 365/85 are much different and are not compatible with the 11.00R20 (diameter).

 

[tobyS]

Thanks JOateyNV, but we are very far apart and shipping would be a killer. But I do want to get this figured out so when cash flow improves, I'm ready.

Sephirothq...were closer... but the 365/85 is 2" taller than my 11.00R20. I need 365/80 but thanks for the offer.

 

[welldigger]

The issue with a3 wheels is the bead. It is an mpt bead. You can mount both mpt tires and non mpt tires on an a3 wheel.

However, 5 ton wheels are non mpt beads. So ONLY non mpt tires can be mounted on them.