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Interesting... So, perhaps some trucks were equipped this way when they were delivered. I've seen numerous mid-80's photos of USMC trucks wearing 11.00 NDTs, so that's kind of my basis for my statements in my first post. In fact, GL recently sold several USMC M931 tractors with 11.00 NDTs and no...

I should add that the Marines did also get some M923A1 trucks when production switched over to them in late 1985. Those trucks would have come from the factory with the 14.00R20s, but they were far fewer in number than straight M923s.

This is not really accurate. The truck was most likely built as an M923, but the winch controls and PTO were installed to facilitate installation of a winch at a later time. They did not remove the winches from all of their trucks (neither for shipping cubage reduction nor any other purpose)...

Interesting discussion. Not sure how I missed it originally... Is the truck in question wearing an ISO bed and super singles? They did not come from the factory that way. I think this plate is more likely from the conversion when the M813 was singled out and received it's ISO bed and lockers...

Technically, a decade, from 1983 to 1993 for all variants. :) I think I mentioned that in post #6... :D

If I remember correctly, the US military procured about 38,000 M939/A1/A2 trucks over the years. I would go out on a limb and say that most of these have not come out yet. From what I understand, there is a lot of paperwork involved when turning in vehicles, so all of the talk of furloughs and...

Sorry, I should have been a little more specific. To the right of that bolt sticking out, below the hole in the top of the frame, right above the axle. That's the area they stamped them.

That is not the VIN. You can't see it unless you clean the paint off just behind those numbers. It is very faint and will be C523-0XXXX (probably between 5500 and 6200 in your case).

You've seen that?!?! Paint or grease pencil is what I have seen. I don't think they would weld them to the stud, as the stud would possibly be ruined. It sounds more like the weld was on the side of the nut, perhaps to prevent unauthorized wheel removal? But, that is a real PITA if you get a...

These trucks are kind of anomalous. It is not really a 1995, since they only made the A1s until 1987. 1995 is probably when it came through a rebuild from the USMC. I am actually surprised it was in CARNAC's database at all, but it's probably because it was re-purposed to the Army and that is...

That is awesome! Congratulations. I love to see old gasser 10-tons.

Well, my comment was not directed at you. I just quoted you because I was thinking the same thing. I was trying to make a point that the OP isn't fooling anybody by saying "I am looking at... They tell me it will not start... " The first thing I would have done (and did), if I was close to that...

I just wonder if anything else is missing from that very nice looking truck... (these posts really never cease to amaze and amuse me rofl)

But, does yours come with an operable wench??? Personally, I find a winch much more usable than a wench, but they are good for some things...especially when they operate properly. ;)

Tim, that looks great! Bringing it to Aberdeen this year?

Man, you might get the award for digging up the oldest thread of the week/month/year! Gee, technically, shouldn't this thread be moved to the modification/hot-rodding forum...??? :shock:

They probably screened it, thinking they would have some use for it, or they would flip it... :o They just made themselves a butt-load of money... They probably had no use for the other truck they were selling either.

Thanks, DH. I prefer facts much more than conjecture, so I do appreciate the effort. I might just try to measure mine and then swag-compare it to the specs of the M809 cover. I, too, suspect they have the same pattern/size.

Yes, I know. But, as with all other things military, that does not really mean that they won't interchange. They might have different thickness, rolled edges, etc... The M809 cover NSN details call out all of the vital measurements/dimensions, while the M939 does not. At least, not that I could...

Does anyone know if the PTO cover plate from an M809 transmission is the same size and bolt pattern as the one on the Allison MT654 in the M939 trucks? Without looking, I think they are both 6-bolt, and I assume they would be some SAE standard size. But, you know what happens when you ASSume...